Election season is upon us. My ballot has been received and signature confirmed (Arizona, despite the current legislation’s efforts to undo years of improving voter experience, still has a great mail in ballot system). And two of my three kids’ ballots are also in and confirmed. I have also encouraged all our employees to vote, even though I’m well aware that most of them vote differently than I do. I still think it’s important that we all have a voice in who governs us. I sent them links to the local paper’s non-partisan overview of each of the races and its excellent recap of the referenda.
Since I’m a mother to young-ish voters, and elections are only every 2 years, I spent an evening digging into each of the non-partisan roles, including dozens of judges nobody’s ever heard of, and all the referenda measures, and then I reviewed those notes with my young voters to help them decide. There were some candidates, particularly among judges, that I could have gone either way on. I mean, even if I don’t like that judge’s record, who’s to say that Kari Lake who is literally insane and has already said she will refuse to concede if she loses (unfortunately, her terribleness is deceptively packaged in an articulate news-savvy attractive human form), won’t replace a bad judge with a worse one? But what if Katie Hobbes wins? Then my “retain” vote is a bad idea. Decisions, decisions.
So, I dithered. My kids dithered. Ultimately, we voted how we voted. We weren’t in lock step, although we probably voted the same way on the big races. Even on one of the referenda, we had some differences. That’s what voting means to me: you think about all the information you have, and you fill in that circle and hope for the best.
We had a water conservation board vote to consider. Did we care more about growth or climate change? New, fresh ideas or incumbents who already knew the players? Technical expertise or communication skill? Ability to influence business or represent farmers? Outsiders or insiders?
And we had two “non-partisan” school board elections to consider, with the ability to vote for up to two candidates. It became quickly apparent what they were all about. One candidate touted his “Christian” support. Another was found to be an actual three percenter (I had to explain to my kids what this was). The next candidate said she wanted all kids to feel respected and supported, so kind of a diversity play. The final candidate was a self-proclaimed “girl dad,” which didn’t mean what my kids thought it meant.[1]
The other school board race was for community college division, and as I discovered in my research it was a race between a candidate who said we needed “to protect children from the progressive left,” who was then cited for (checks notes) masturbating in front of an elementary school. The other candidate did not.
In researching the judges, I used two sites to find out more information:
- The Commission on Judicial Performance Review, a site run by the state where you can see how other jurists rated each judge. It’s helpful at knocking out really really bad judges, judges whose peers basically think they should be disbarred, but most judges pass this review with flying colors.
- The Robing Room. This one actually had me in stitches. It’s like Yelp for judges. There are lots of comments from attorneys, members of the court, and plenty of litigants who lost their cases and had a thing to say about the judge who ruled against them. Some of the comments were really helpful (e.g. “the judge didn’t even read the case” according to more than one case) or not very helpful sour grapes comments about a lost case that all sort of started to sound the same after a while. Comments praising judges were few and far between. In general, I voted against retaining judges with poor ratings that I found plausible.
One of the Robing Room reviews I read caused me to pause. It was for a family court judge that was identified by the commenter as a “BYU grad.” This commenter did not like this judge at all, explaining that as a BYU grad and a Mormon, this judge was racially biased against black people and only believed that mothers were fit parents, capable of nurturing, and in a custody battle, fathers could not be awarded custody, particularly if they were black. It was a disturbing comment. It wasn’t too dissimilar in essence to the comments on many other judges, that fathers weren’t getting a fair shake in custody hearings, but it was unsettling that this judge’s supposed bias was due to his religious beliefs.
That got me thinking about politicians in general who are from the Church, and also the many candidates who are no longer active or are ex-Mormons. Does their affiliation (or break) with the Church help them or hurt them as candidates?
As someone from a place where Mormons are as rare as hens’ teeth, I always thought a church member who had lived outside of Utah has had to learn some skills to navigate the normal world. A Utah candidate who has always lived in Utah makes me a little suspicious. Are they normal? Do they know enough about how to work with others? I also think about anything they do that goes against some of the Mormon norms: is it a woman or person of color (rather than another white guy)? How do they talk about LGBTQ rights? Are they pro-choice?
As to the former Mormons, I usually have favorable feelings toward them, even in my most TBM days, because they “get” the Mormon experience. They know what makes us unique, even if it wasn’t for them. It may be deep in their bones in ways others wouldn’t recognize. For all her faults (and holy crap there are a lot of them) Kirsten Synema still has some Mormon to her.[2] Huntsman was savvy in explaining that he had family who were Mormon and family who were bartenders. Smart move. He gets it, especially in the wake of the disgusting video that was leaked in which Church leaders laughed about only supporting Utah politicians who were “Church-broke.“
And there have also been a few high profile Mormon politicians in the last few years who broke with the Republican party when it turned toward Trump, who faced a lot of party backlash, even death-threats as a result. Even if I disagreed with them politically, there was something to admire to their integrity, and personally I think that’s something that they (mostly) learned from their Mormon upbringing.
Let’s hear from all of you.
- Does a candidate being Mormon help or hurt them in your view? What about a former Mormon?
- How do you think religious affiliation helps or hurts Mormon candidates at this point? Does it depend on their actions or is it an unconscious bias for or against?
- How do you approach these non-POTUS ballots?
Discuss.
[1] I think there was some hope this was a trans candidate.
[2] Unfortunately, where her heart used to be, there’s a big fat check from Pharma.
I myself was researching candidates for state offices just this week and read their official candidate pages online. I chose not to vote for someone who listed that they were Mormon, had gone to BYU, etc. simply because I felt like they were putting out the secret ‘code’ that members often will: “I’m a member so you know you can trust me”. (I live in a heavily populated LDS community) Too often I get the goody two-shoes vibe from that type of pandering as well. I think it hurts candidates in this day and age and shouldn’t be disclosed due to the reasons I’ve stated as well as the negative PR the church is currently experiencing.
I submitted my mail in Arizona ballot yesterday. My wife and my 3 voting children typically have rigorous discussions over who and what to vote, and my one child who hasn’t left the church almost always agrees with the rest of us. It helps that someone (?) sends a large book with plain-English explanations of the propositions. Propositions can sometimes have unintended consequences so it’s useful to read the opinions of organizations that are for / against the propositions. I admit when it comes to judges I don’t take the time to research and I often skip those portions. This year there were ~30 superior court judges on the ballet.
However, when it comes to positions that I’m less familiar with (such as White Tanks Constable) I’ll usually take the position that the tie goes to the woman. That’s obviously no guarantee of wise decision making (for example Kari Lake in the OP) but at least it’s a vote towards diversity.
As a BYU alum it pains me to say this, but I do not view a BYU degree as a positive. I sometimes consider a former Mormon as a positive, for example I mostly like Kyrsten Sinema who started at BYU but then figured out it (and the church) wasn’t for her. However there are exceptions to that too. Marco Rubio was LDS for a time but after leaving he didn’t become more progressive and I wouldn’t vote for him.
Back in 2002, Orson Scott Card compared and contrasted Utah vs NC on his blog. When it came to politics, he said:
“Utah — idiotic, paranoid, and venal actions of state legislature, city governments, and school boards all done by Mormons.
North Carolina — idiotic, paranoid, and venal actions of state legislature, city governments, and school boards all done by non-Mormons.”
So, in other words, being LDS means jack squat when it comes to politics. Politicians are generally crooked regardless of religious affiliation.
Many of us grew up as LDS Reagan Republicans but we’ve run into two big barriers that have forced us to make a detour:
1. The Republican Party has been corrupted by Trump and his MAGA sycophants.
2. The COJCOLDS is no longer seen as the “one true church” and so we view politics through a different lense now.
I still support conservative candidates generally (RUH ROH that will get me a few thumbs down on Wheat and Tares). But as a resident of Utah, I am very resistant to supporting LDS candidates who to me represent the status quo Mormon voting bloc. To me that translates into ridiculous policies on alcohol, sex education, and possibly abortion.
I have an interesting (to me at least) evolving view on Mitt Romney that lines up with what I said so far. I was a resident of Massachusetts when he was governor in the early 2000s and I thought he was wrong to support gay marriage. How could he do that as a Mormon I thought. And when he ran for president I still viewed him suspiciously for his “liberal” views. And today? I absolutely admire his courage to take on Trump publicly and to work across the aisle as a reasonable center right Republican. And I’m absolutely delighted that he will not endorse Mike Lee (whose voting record is fine with me generally) given Lee’s involvement in the “stolen election” BS.
So here I am, supporting a guy (Romney) that I used to despise and refusing to support a guy (Lee) whose voting record I generally agree with and this has everything to do with #1 and #2 above.
PS: I don’t want to turn this into a discussion on abortion other than to say that I too have evolved on this from pro-Life to pro-Choice and that has everything to do with #2 above and having three daughters
Interesting blog. Enjoyed reading it.
I would note that, having been there and done that, I would be reluctant to accept a lawyer’s take on a judge as being anything other than what he would like it to be. I wouldn’t be surprised if the facts surrounding the comments made on that review were that the lawyer had a black father as a client and the judge ruled in favor of the white mother and the lawyer’s conclusion, having lost, was that the judge was was racially biased and anti-father because he went to BYU and was a Mormon rather than I did a lousy job or my client really hadn’t shown he would be a good father or anyone of a number of other compelling reasons why the judge could have decided how he did.
I’m automatically suspicious of any Church member who runs for public office. For example, Sens. Lee and Crapo (both of whom are up for reelection this year) openly trumpet their Church membership and street cred to pander to the LDS voting bloc, yet their conduct in public and private would definitely disqualify them from temple recommends, if only their respective Bishops and SPs actually enforced the standards fairly. Meanwhile, my bishop would be eager to cancel my recommend if I were candid with him about my positions on certain social issues. This kind of hypocrisy is found at all levels of politics in Church-heavy areas, and was a major source of cognitive dissonance and disillusionment with the Church for me.
I’m grateful to live in a non-Morridor state where the Church has no political sway. Despite this, occasionally I see candidates run for local offices with thinly veiled Mormon identifiers (dog whistles, if you will) sprinkled in their biographies. Last cycle, there was a school board candidate in my area who was a Church member, who touted her associates degree from Ricks College and her experience as a ward YW president as her primary qualifications for the office, and ran on a platform of enhancing charter schools and increasing homeschool options (she did not win). A couple years earlier, when the state rolled out a new LGBTQ-affirming sex education curriculum, a coalition of concerned citizens (led by local Church members, natch) launched a grassroots effort to oppose it, sending petitions around. Nothing came of it, ultimately. Having lived through Prop 8, I saw firsthand how much the Church’s credibility was destroyed as a result of overplaying it’s political hand, and now I am somewhat relieved that no one takes Mormons seriously anymore in politics, at least outside the Mountain Time Zone.
Josh H: No downvote from me on your being conservative, esp since you’ve caveated that you aren’t a Trump guy and you’ve moved toward pro-choice (even though I’m pro-choice, I would be totally fine with reasonable viability date limits like they have in Europe–e.g. 12 or 15 weeks for elective abortion. Life of the mother should always warrant an exception. Even my Trumpy sister said she wouldn’t vote for Blake Masters in part because of his “no exceptions” stance on abortion. As she said, “What do they want us to do? Die??”)
Jack Hughes: I agree about being suspicious of candidates who tout their religious affiliation, whether it’s Mormon or not. Having grown up LDS in a very non-LDS area of the country, separation of church and state feels like survival to me. I do not even understand how anyone could think that mixing religion and politics is a good idea. In fact, I would posit that our pluralistic society is why the US is *more* religious than Europe, whose countries mostly had centuries of a state religion that people had to pretend to believe but didn’t, a state religion that often oppressed them and sought power for itself. IMO, that’s why Europeans are so much less religious than we are. They’ve been burned. How can you believe in a religion that seeks to control people and build up power for itself? And maybe that’s what all religions will do if they get a chance. That’s why it’s vital to protect the minority religions from being overridden and overruled in the public sphere. We have got to get our politicians to quit playing favorites among sects.
Toad: I used to always vote with the woman as well, but then I looked into Ann Timmer (AZ Supreme Court), and I was not happy to see that she came from the Federalist Society like those Trump appointed SCOTUS picks. After Amy Coney-Barrett (who is literally Serena Joy from Handmaid’s Tale, a woman enforcing the patriarchy to the detriment of women), I don’t feel I can trust women anymore without further research. A few of the female AZ judges that had some reddish flags for me: Kathy Cooper (a review said that she thought the litigant dissed Trump and immediately changed her demeanor toward him to be negative), Kristin Culbertson (several reviews said that she always sides with DCS and doesn’t listen to the family members or witnesses), Monica Edelstein (got a “does not meet” on the JPR from one colleague), Kerstin Lemaire (got really bad reviews on the Robing Room), Suzanne Nicholls (was called rude & dismissive in reviews and got a 1.2/10 rating from attorneys), Susann Pineda (complaints that she was in the pocket of lawyers and didn’t listen to litigants), Joan Sinclair (many bad reviews), Pamela Svoboda (several reviews said she didn’t understand what she was doing, including attorneys stating this). These were on par with the negative reviews male judges got, on the whole. There were only a handful of judges with positive reviews on the Robing Room, and there were some with no reviews (yet), and I gave those a retain. Let them have some time to blow it. The two worst judges per the JPR site were Stephen Hopkins (15/22 said he did not meet judicial standards on the JPR) and Howard Sukenic (9/22 said he didn’t meet standards on JPR).
Southern Saint: Agreed that politics is power, and power corrupts. There are some fairly earnest politicians, though, some of whom were Mormon. I say were because I’m thinking of Jeff Flake and Rusty Bowers, both of whom left politics due to Trump. Even so, I admire their integrity, but I also think in the case of Bowers that he’s got bad judgment. He said that even though he wouldn’t overturn the election, he would still vote for Trump again, which is INSANE. I’m not sure if it’s because these guys belong to the cult of Trump, but it’s clear that they see all Democrats as worse than an election-denying anti-democracy grifter.
Personally, I LOVE Katie Hobbes; intelligent, articulate, strong willed, confident and “smart as a whip” – and she’s not an Uber Leftist. I hope she mops the floor with the incumbent.
Personally, I LOVE Katie Hobbies: intelligent, articulate, strong willed, confident and “smart as a whip”. And, she’s not an Uber Leftist. I hope she mops the floor with the incumbent.
LHL: From your mouth to God’s ears, but unfortunately, the polling is making me queasy. A lot of people seem to love Kari Lake’s articulate confidence, and they don’t care that what she’s saying is awful.
Josh H: I’m really, sincerely happy to hear that you’ve moved to being pro-choice because of your having 3 daughters. But whenever I hear that I find myself wondering why that person didn’t change because of having a wife. Or a mother.
I’m in Utah so I’ll be voting for many Mormons. I’ll even be casting my ballot for a Mormon who ran for president in 2016 on a somewhat conservative, but non-Trump, platform and who won the vote of the senator he is currently challenging, Mike Lee. Evan Mcmullin doesn’t hold many of my values and I’m pretty sure I would not like a lot of what he might do in Congress. But he has my vote. For Mike Lee is a truly reprehensible, Rothbardian libertarian, Trump supporting, and lying disgrace of a senator and McMullin has the best chance of toppling him of anyone I can think of.
Down the ballot, I vote no on all the judges. The main reason is a meager attempt to keep them on their toes. Plus, I simply dislike the justice system. Yes, I realize it is necessary. But I hate the way it operates. I have a bias against lawyers. I can’t stand the way lawyers often think and speak (sorry Elisa and other lawyers out there, I’m sure you guys are the good ones). I heard one law professor say that you can argue any point. My attitude is that that is absolutely false. There are simply ideas and arguments out that are so stupid, disingenuous, and obviously false that anyone with a brain can recognize that as such. I especially hate how the justice system can let certain people such as celebrities and politicians off the hook for obvious crimes and how it can let itself be so corrupted by money. So no to all judges. I don’t care who they are.
Other folks down the ballot, unfortunately I don’t know who a lot of these folks are nor do I have a good way of knowing. If they have a website that lists their positions, I’ll check it out. But generally if they have a D by their name, they have my vote (the alternative parties seem including Libertarian and Constitutionalist seem to be full of loons). There are probably some good Republicans out there who might actually be more well-suited for the job. But I simply don’t have a good way of knowing. I simply figure that if you ally yourself with the Republican party that you generally support many policies and voice many ideas that I don’t like. And that if you have the wisdom to ally yourself with the Democrats in Utah, you have my tip of the hat. Perhaps that may be a little closed-minded on my part. But I explain my attitude as a reflection of my deepened cynicism in the age of Trump.
Outside the Mormon Corridor, I assume that being a Mormon (active Mormon, especially, but also an ex-Mormon to a lesser extent) would be a negative factor in winning an election. People on the left tend to have negative feelings about organized religion, so they would have a harder time trusting a Mormon candidate. There seem to be a lot more religious people on the right, but Mormons aren’t exactly very popular with other Christian denominations.
I have not been active politically at all in my lifetime. The one exception to this is that I become a little involved during covid when I still had kids in high school. I wrote some emails to school board representatives (some of whom followed up with phone calls, which was nice of them) and spoke during the public comment period at a few school board meetings. I did express my opinion on whether schools should be in-person or virtual, but my comments were mostly to address some of the social issues that arose during those times (book bans, excessively monitoring teachers’ actions, etc.). My school board representative eventually invited me to participate in some committees consisting of teachers, administrators, and parents to help guide the future priorities of the school district. She said she invited me to join the committees because although we didn’t see eye to eye on all of the issues, she could tell I was genuinely interested in the welfare of the students and that I was one of the few parents who would communicate with her in a civil and logical manner (being a school board member during covid was pretty rough!) My involvement with the school board really opened my eyes to how important and influential some of these elected people are to things that happen in my community and that affect me directly. As a result, I do spend a lot more effort than I used to on figuring out how to vote on local down ballot candidates. Figuring out which judges to support or not has remained perplexing, though, so thanks for the tips on where to go looking for information on them.
I do think it is interesting how faith gets trumpeted for voters. Looks like my ballot only has the US congress race and some judges. But wow the guy going against the incumbent for congress is pushing his faith.
-“raised in a Christian family deeply rooted in a Southern Baptist Church”
-“felt led to join the armed forces”
-Current church membership listed, and volunteer chaplaincy.
-“I will work to bring our republic back to true Constitutional government and the Liberty (freedom linked to Judeo-Christian principles) it bestows on every citizen and the blessings it conveys to the whole world.” parentheses in original
-Campaign slogan: “NAME- Servant of God, Family and Country!”
The incumbent’s bio is an extensive record of his secular accomplishments in a variety of public offices. The last paragraph lists his lifelong membership in a specific church before naming his wife, kid, grandkids, and hobbies.
I just checked; both US senators from my state have their home churches listed on their official biographies. I could show up there Sunday if desired (one senator “still sings in the choir”!). I’ve never seen an LDS candidate announce a specific ward/meetinghouse.
All four of those churches listed are Baptist churches. The governor’s sites don’t announce his church; his wife’s bio indicates they attend a Methodist church. I wonder if being a Methodist is a liability here. I’m sure a Mormon would never have a chance.
HokieKate: Since Baptists are a coalition (not a top-down denomination like ours), listing one’s congregation is kind of like listing your denomination. Plus, they aren’t small like our wards are. Methodists are centrally organized (democratically, I think), so no need to list out one’s congregation. Being a Mormon seems to be a liability overall, but it’s an asset in some roles where all people care about is integrity. Mormons tend to be seen as earnest but gullible (from most non-LDS people) from what I can tell, although Evangelicals see them as belonging to a dangerous cult, so that’s fun (also hella ironic).
I’m in Utah, and there were not very many disputed seats on my ballot. Other than the United States Senate, most of the rest of my ballot was solely Republicans for the state legislature, the county clerk, the sheriff, and a few other posts. I looked up the people listed from other political parties, and decided not to vote for the guy whose occupation was youtuber. There just weren’t any Democrats on the ballot. The Republicans run unopposed. My county is one of the two counties in Utah that voted majority for Joe biden, and we still don’t have enough Democrats to even run in most of these down ballot races.
Our city’s vice-mayor and member of our city council is Mormon, though he attends even less than I do (he’s been in my stake for a decade and we are now even in the same ward). I voted for him because I know him and like him and what he’s done or not done to our city, not because he’s Mormon (even though I only know him because he’s Mormon so go figure). A lot of members are boosting for him and I get the impression, however uncharitable it is, that it’s because he’s Mormon.
In my neck of the woods, there are otherwise not many Mormons running for office (at least, not that I’m aware of). There are lots o Christians that like to put that as part of their bios, which to me is a turn off. I don’t care what church they attend, I just don’t see how it’s relevant to the position they are applying for. I don’t put my religion on my resume after all (though BYU is there even if I wish it were not).
I normally spend most of my time on the propositions, and boy does CA love a good proposition. I do appreciate as a finance guy that the proposition summary will disclose the net fiscal impact of the propo and I have voted yes or no on that basis. Otherwise it can be hard to tell what the truth is in these pro-con arguments so instead I tend to look at WHO wrote the argument as opposed to what it says.
I enjoy voting. I’m dropping my ballot off tomorrow at the box next to my son’s baseball game =).
Placing BYU grad on your resume is not necessarily virtue signaling. Nor does it tell you a single, solitary thing about that individual, or their beliefs and value systems. If my last name was O’Flaherty, and I went to Catholic University, would you automatically assume I was against gay marriage, birth control, abortion with no exceptions, women should not be ordained, etc., because the institutional church you ASSUME I belong to, run by a mostly white gerontocracy in Rome, represents me as an individual? I would hope not, because I’m sure we’re all mature enough to know that individuals are not institutions. I’ve lived east of the Mississippi since 1982, so I’m not naive. People hear BYU, and then the idiocy follows–sometimes unspoken, sometimes vocal. The misconceptions are too numerous to even go into. And in my previous life in academia, I couldn’t leave it off my vitae. Nor did I want to. But these folks are ignorant. And bigoted. But on this blog, if all you know about me is that I’m from Mesa, and a BYU graduate, do you really know anything about my politics, my relationship to the church, my family life–anything at all unless I tell you? Nope.
Speaking of BYU,
Ya’ll are aware of the CBC, Sydney Morning Herald, and 60 Minutes are covering the controversies concerning the Church’s finances and charitable giving right?
Canadian Broadcasting Company news links:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mormon-church-jesus-christ-latter-day-saints-funds-charity-1.6630190
Fifth Estate documentary https://youtu.be/NgxGYUyvJio
Canadian Charity Intelligence
https://www.charityintelligence.ca/charity-details/917-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints-in-canada
Australia news links:
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/mormon-church-invests-billions-of-dollars-while-grossly-overstating-its-charitable-giving-20220927-p5blbc.html
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/mormon-church-invests-billions-of-dollars-while-grossly-overstating-its-charitable-giving-20220927-p5blbc.html
60 minutes:
I have yet to find this one yet.
englecameron, I’m sort of confused by your comment. While I’m all for not stereotyping, you also make that point that people (at least people ‘east of the Mississippi’ stereotype about BYU all the time. So yes, we shouldn’t stereotype, but the reality is that people do. In which case, someone’s decision on whether or not to put BYU on their CV, does, in a practical sense, matter, no? Help me out here.