Today’s guest post is provided by blogger “The Buddhist Bishop.”
The Temple is perhaps the most powerful symbol of the Restoration, and one of the most powerful of any religious symbol in the world. It is the “mountain of the Lord”, it is a holy space that requires purification before entering, it is a symbol of sacrifice –especially in the days of our poverty when extra donations were required to build the temples and when getting to the Temple required costly long-distance journeys. The Temple is a symbol of equality before the Lord—we all wear pretty much the same clothing. It is a symbol of consecration — we covenant to build the kingdom of God. But most importantly, perhaps for most, it is a symbol for the binding of families in eternal lineages. And that is likely the most powerful draw that the Temple has for most members.
The Temple is a powerful unifying symbol across the church. But more than half of what occurs in the Temple does not really have much to do with the sealing of families. The greater part of the Temple ritual falls under what is commonly referred to as the “secret handshake”, ritual activities strikingly similar in large part to Masonic ritual. But what is most interesting here is that Temple-goers are solemnly sworn to secrecy about these Masonic-like rituals. On the other hand, we can openly speak about the sealing ordinances of the Temple, and in some detail. It is no secret, for example, that couples hold hands across an altar in a sealing room while a sealer pronounces them husband and wife for all eternity. These sealing ordinances are what is most sacred about the Temple.
Without the sealing ordinances, it is hard to believe the temple would be much of a draw at all. Can we really believe that secret signs and tokens would be required of us at heaven’s gate? Definitely not by the God I believe in. And it is hard to believe that our rising millennial members would find much inspiration in getting that handshake just right.
This then is the contradiction of the Temple: That which is sacred is not at all secret, and that which is secret is almost assuredly not sacred.
Significant and meaningful covenants are most certainly made as part of the endowment ceremony. These covenants are not at all secret: such as covenant and promise to observe the law of strict virtue and chastity, to be charitable, benevolent, tolerant and pure; to devote both talent and material means to the spread of truth and the uplifting of the race; to maintain devotion to the cause of truth; and to seek in every way to contribute to the great preparation that the earth may be made ready to receive her King,—the Lord Jesus Christ (James E. Talmage, The House of the Lord).
Making these covenants is done with the right arm to the square – the usual and classic way we make covenants in or out of the Church. But in addition to this usual practice, the Temple adds additional tokens or symbols. With some significant exceptions, there is no real meaning to many of these symbols. But much energy goes into making these symbols or gestures in exactly the right way. There is very little explanation of the meaning of these symbols, whether during the first interview that initiates must have with a member of the Temple presidency, or in Temple preparation classes in Sunday School. The focus thus becomes the signs and tokens themselves, rather than what they point to, since with few exceptions very few temple patrons would know what most of these tokens point to.
For example, it has been several decades at least since the removal in the Temple ceremony of the acting out of lethal penalties for divulging the secret signs and tokens of the ceremony. But we did not remove all traces of the penalties during the endowment ceremony. We still hold our hands at the ready to execute the lethal penalties. Only Temple-goers well into their 50s and 60s would have any notion as to the meaning of these gestures.
So why do we keep the Masonic-like ritual symbols in our Temple ceremony? Is it that we believe that the signs and symbols have been handed down unchanged from the Prophet Joseph, and thus cannot be changed?
Removal of the penalties are far from the only changes that have been made in the Endowment ceremony. For example, we no longer are asked to pray the Lord will avenge the blood of the Prophet Joseph. This oath was removed in the early 1930s. Most recently we have made substantive changes to the way women covenant directly to the Lord rather than through their husbands. The Temple ceremonies are obviously not etched in stone.
A very significant change involved converting the endowment ceremony to a film version instead of live actors. The endowment ceremony is basically a creation play where participants see themselves in Adam and Eve’s roles, especially in terms of covenants. Prior to the 1970s, live actors played the roles of Elohim and Jehovah, Adam and Eve, and others. Had the live-acting ceremony continued in all Temples, particularly in Africa, then people of color would most definitely have played these roles. Now we have 40 years of films (which themselves are not static and have undergone several changes) with only white people in all of the roles. Occasionally some of the actors playing Adam and Eve will have a slightly Mediterranean complexion, but to my knowledge no black people nor even dark-skinned Hispanics have ever played any of these roles. Do Church leaders now believe there is some doctrinal basis to this? Could Jehovah not be played by a black man? The entire purpose of the Endowment ceremony leading up to the covenants is that we see ourselves as Adam or Eve. Would Queq’chi Maya see themselves in these roles in the same way that northern Europeans would? Some kinds of skin color clearly seem to matter more than others. Is this what we really want to communicate?
The question for us in the Twenty-first Century is whether or not archaic, and very often irrelevant, elements of our Temple ceremony aid or hinder our Temple experience. Are we so focused on holding our hand just right that we lose sight of what the Temple is all about? The Temple is about covenants and the binding of families. I suggest the Masonic relics that form such a large part of the Endowment ceremony detract significantly from this holy purpose. In fact, the fastidious focus on mechanical minutia puts the emphasis on the details and greatly detracts from the very purpose of the Temple.
Removing the Masonic or Masonic-like symbols from our endowment ceremony would greatly shorten the length of the ceremony. It would be akin to dropping an hour from Sunday church meetings. We all know what a blessing that has been. We always seem to be in a rush in the Temple. Crank out so many endowments, so many baptisms, etc. We need a slow endowment. Time to reflect and digest what it is all about. When the symbols become the focus, the purpose is obscured.
Some change along these lines is no doubt in the works. With the Temple, the leadership appears to prefer a glacial pace of change. The membership, however, has not balked at the fairly significant changes of the recent past. We all might just be a little more ready than our leaders might think. I know I am!
My first time through the temple I was horrified at the temple being more like the “secret combinations of the Gadianton robbers” than any thing at all to do with love, charity, and Jesus of Nazareth. I totally agree that what is secret in the LDS temple is not sacred. You say and I totally agree that the God I worship does not need secret passwords and gestures to recognize his own children.
But I am going to go a step farther, it is not words said over a couple that binds them together for eternity. It is the love they have for each other that binds them together. My mother was always really really bothered that her grandmother, who she was very close to was sealed to her first husband, whom she did not love, and could not be sealed to her second, nonmember husband, whom she did love, but was not my mother’s grandfather. The idea that she would be forced to spend eternity with the “righteous” but unkind and unloving member husband and father to her first two children, who spent all but a few months of their marriage away from her on a mission for the church disgusted her and quite frankly made her reject God’s very existence. The “god” my great grandmother experienced growing up as the child in a polygamous marriage, and the “god” who would require her to go back to her first husband was simply a god she was unwilling to worship.
Now, if love is the binding factor, suddenly it solves all the problems with women being stuck sealed to a exhusband they have divorced because he was abusive, but the church says it is vital she remain sealed to someone, even if she hates him. You know, that is just stupid. And the church insisting she needs to be sealed to someone, so she can make it into the CK, is really stupid when you consider that the abusive husband cannot take her through the veil into the CK for the simple reason that he isn’t going to get in to the CK himself.
All the promises of “it will all be sorted out later” are stupid, when love sorts them out here on earth. If the endowed abusive husband can repent enough to be worthy, why can’t the nonmember repent enough to be worthy? If those who are nonmembers can have the work done for them, why can’t ALL the work be done in the next life? After we know who is and isn’t righteous enough to make the CK. Either work for the dead is valid, or it isn’t. So, why leave my great grandmother’s work to be “sorted out” after they are resurrected, when her second husband has joined the church? Why not let her be sealed to the man she loved, or at least unsealed from the man she did not love, so after the second husband’s death they could be sealed if she was still alive and wanted to be sealed to him. But because her first husband was killed, she was stuck forever sealed to him.
After we die, we will run to the people we love. That is what seals us. Not saying words over us as we kneel at some alter.
God doesn’t need silly ceremonies and passwords to recognize his children, and we don’t need silly ceremonies to tell us who to love for eternity.
I would go a step further and say that one reason non-sacred secrets are kept secret is because they are so weird we don’t want people talking about them and realizing that everyone else thinks they are weird too. If we don’t talk about them, we can all go on thinking *we* are the ones with the problem and everyone else is loving this. (Of course the other reason they are “secret” is because they were kept secret by the Masons who invented them). 100% agree we should jettison them.
I’m with Anna though, I think that just as it’s silly to think that God cared about the performance of some handshakes and gestures, it is silly to think that God cares whether we are sealed to a spouse in the temple (that, by the way, we have to pay 10% of our income to get access to). Having realized the history of the sealing and that its origins are in plural marriage (for which it is still used) I’m even less impressed by it now.
As for the endowment, I’m curious as to why you think those covenants are particularly meaningful. I don’t think they are that different from baptismal covenants of obedience to the extent you think those are rules we are supposed to obey. Only consecration is particularly unique but that one bugs me because it’s a loyalty oath to the Church – not God.
Stripped of all that the temple becomes perhaps a place to meditate and think about God, which is the only thing I’ve ever thought was particularly meaningful there. I’m for turning them into worship places for study and meditation.
It’s not even a matter of keeping weird events from non-members. What young Mormon is adequately prepared for the covenants they’re about to enter into? Who would allow themselves to be bound to a legal document without first reading the terms in this existence? How much more important to be knowledgable about eternal ones in order to freely and authentically agree?
Great post, and I agree with the secret/sacred conundrum. Growing up in the Church, we are taught about the importance of Jesus Christ (the very namesake of the Church), that all things point to Him and the fate of all mankind hinges on His atonement, etc. But when we go to the temple to receive the endowment (which is hyped as the pinnacle of all spiritual experiences) we find that Jesus is, at best, a minor character in the creation/fall/redemption narrative, and hardly gets a mention. It’s more about enforcing obedience and loyalty than about experiencing the embrace of divine love. There is too much emphasis on covenants (which still include a severe promise to be willing to sacrifice one’s own life in defense of the Church) with no mention of the fact that no one keeps their covenants perfectly; this caused me a lot of anxiety after my first experience with the ceremony. Instead, why not make Christ’s atonement the central emphasis, and get rid of the Masonic weirdness?
While we are talking about dispensing with weird aspects, I would love to see them get rid of the ceremonial clothing. I find it very uncomfortable, physically and aesthetically.
@Jack Hughes agree re Jesus, and add to that many women I know who expected that they would finally learn more about their Heavenly Mother when they get to the temple … nope.
Anna, Elisa, Alice, Jack Hughes – 100% agree
We learn from the Council of 50 notes and other sources that *elite* members (leaders and polygamy initiates) were required to become Masons in order to be bound by their covenants of secrecy. The secret – not sacred – nature of the oaths and literal threat of death was what Joseph was after. BY added fuel to the fire.
The penalties mimed blood atonement, which under BY, was not always voluntary.
The financial cost of admission to the temple puts a dollar sign on that which Jesus offered “without price”. Even his rhetorical admonition to “sell all that you have and give to the poor” wouldn’t apply to the church which is neither poor nor uses *tithes* to fund any humanitarian efforts.
The temple has become nothing more than a paywall between man and God. Who needs covenants administered by “those in authority” in a special building when the covenant is with God whose authority fills the universe?
I fundamentally do not understand why we perform the entire endowment ceremony when performing the ceremony for the dead. We don’t do this for any of the other ordinances (for example we don’t teach missionary discussions prior to baptizing the dead). I’m not the first to suggest it, but of the Masonic tokens are going to be kept in, why not just run through the covenants quickly, report immediately to the veil, perform the ordinance, go through the veil into the celestial room, pause for a moment, then go pick up another name and begin again?
I also think that Church leaders have struggled with what the endowment ceremony is supposed to mean. As far as I understand it, what we have now can be traced springs largely from Nauvoo-era polygamy. The shadowy approach to the practice with the apparent need to hide it from the majority of the membership and the rest of the country at large drove a desire to create a ceremony that would bind the inner circle (those authorized to practice polygamy) to Joseph and ensure they wouldn’t turn on him. Masonry provided a memorable and solemn method for expressing those binding oaths and ties.
With polygamy’s subsequent step into the light in Utah and then its subsequent demise, I would argue the endowment lost much of its raison d’etre. With the many changes to the ceremony, it becomes harder to maintain the vague suggestion that the ceremony itself is truly ancient (as President Nelson has suggested two years ago) or that the covenants made are vitally important (if they can be changed so often without so much as an explanation, how important can they be?).
BeenThere, you beat me to it.
Yes, yes, and yes. Yes to Elisa, yes to Alice, and yes to Jack. The weird aspect really shook me, I noticed right away that the promises were to the institutional church and not to God, and not even my marriage vows were to my husband or God. I just gave my soul away to my husband and got nothing in return, and was supposed promise my life away to the institutional church. During my first time through, I was thinking “We’ll see” as I bowed my head and refused to say “yes.” Funny, but I was so jarred by the consecration vow that I have never said “yes”. In all the times I have been back to the temple. The best the church ever got out of me was! “As long as it REALLY is the church of Jesus Christ, which I doubt.” So, the church has a whole lot of endowments where I cheated and refused to make a promise to an institution. To ask such a thing for an institution is evil. No was I can get past that.
Now, if I had known everything about what the temple was about and what the promises actually were and that I had to keep a Gadianton robber secret on the forfeit of my life, 400 wild horses could not have gotten me into the temple. It was just too weird and ungodly. It felt evil.
The covenants, those that are not downright evil and wrong, are the same things we promise at baptism, to keep the commandments. Chastity is fine, But “legally and lawfully wed” did not eliminate polygamy, if it ever becomes legal, so my husband was not really promising the same thing I was. And I promised to obey my husband “as” he obeys God. Not “if” but “as”. Now, people tried to reassure me that I didn’t have to obey anything that was unrighteousness, but nobody ever says that men only have to obey God if they agree with God and that what God is telling them is righteous. Wives were supposed to obey as if their husband was God. And then I heard about the second anointing in which the husband is anointed as a god.
The weirdness is kept secret so that we as members are forced to make promises we don’t see coming. That is wrong and ungodly to put someone in a position where they really feel they can’t back out and are no longer making promises of their own free will and choice. If the wedding later in this same process is contingent on making promises, and the whole family is there watching, the pressure is just too great to have it be of free choice. By the time a person knows, it is too late to say “no”.
Now, I notice that nothing is left if we take out everything objectionable. No wonder the church isn’t about to change it too much. They lose the control they have to force tithing so you don’t end up in sad heaven.
What a great and thought provoking post. I’ve got a couple of thoughts:
What Alice said about young Mormons not being prepared really resonated. I was 23 when I went through the first time, two years after I had been baptized. Hopefully things have changed and more specific things are mentioned to prospective young temple attendees, but I was told nothing specific about what went on in the temple, the kinds (and depth/seriousness) of covenants I would be making, etc. If the temple is so important and the covenants you make are so sacred and eternal, it’s unconscionable not to spell out exactly what those covenants are before anyone enters the temple and feels pressured to make the covenants. I’ve always thought that keeping the covenants secret was an insidious practice that severely compromises the agency (that Mormonism claims to value so highly) of every prospective participant in the endowment ceremony.
Anna’s “it’ll all get sorted out” comment also resonated with me. I am of the same opinion, that it’s the love and desire of people both in this world and in the afterlife that will determine who they end up with (or not), nothing else. The other thing I don’t like about “it will all get sorted out” is that I’ve never been able to decide just exactly how important the temple is. The temple provides very limited, specific kinds of sealings and any halfway complicated family situation really isn’t covered or accommodated. When I’ve asked temple workers, bishops, temple presidents, etc. about certain situations in my own family, all I really get is, “God will sort it out” . If that’s the case, then how important is the temple, really? What, ultimately, do sealings mean, does family mean, in the context of the temple if it can’t really respond to the complexities of family life? It just feels like either the temple has enormous power or it has almost none.
And the last thing I’ll say is along Elisa’s line of thinking. I do think that one reason all of this is supposed to be kept silent/secret is to discourage us from sharing out discomfort. One thing that I found extremely disturbing about my first time through was that after reaching the celestial room, the family member I went with turned to me and said, “if you have any questions about what you just went through, now is the time to ask them. You can only ask questions about the endowment ceremony here in the celestial room”. I’ve not heard that that’s a common teaching, but it really turned me off of the temple. I had just been through what I would describe as a traumatizing experience and I hadn’t even begun to process anything, yet I could only ask any questions I had there and then? There’s definitely a kind of private, secret-keeping vibe going on about the temple and, I would suggest, other Mormon practices and institutions as well. I think we do the same thing with marriage, with family life generally, etc. If everyone pastes a smile on their face and no one has real conversations or asks (and keeps asking) difficult questions, then, as they sing in the Lego movie, “everything is awesome”? Not my idea of any kind of meaningful community.
I know this comment is really long, but one last thing: The temple still, IMHO, teaches that women are inferior to men. That, in my view, makes its existence far more problematic and detrimental than sacred and vital.
The reason why we continue to perform strange rituals in the temple is because like everything else in the Church, we can only make changes incrementally or risk undermining our truth claims. Were we to eliminate all the ceremonial aspects of the temple, which are totally irrelevant by the way, we would cause members to question why we had these in the first place. Thus, slow changes (1990, 2018, etc.). One thing we should all remember: just as Joseph Smith used sources from his time to create the BOM and Book of Abraham, he also used contemporary sources (Masons) to create the temple ceremony. There’s very little that is sacred about any of it, and it’s not even that original.
“The Temple” is never going away, no matter how expensive and infrequently used they are. The Brethren figured out a long time ago that the temple can be used as a magnet for members to stay active and tith paying. Temples are basically an investment in future revenues. And with talks like President Nelson’s “Sad Heaven” message, we continue to be guilted into the idea that if you and your family don’t go to the temple you are separated after death. Sad really compared to the general Christian belief that heaven will be full of love.
The fact that we have strange rituals only feeds into the “sacred” marketing of the temple. The Brethren aren’t going to let go of that any time soon, no matter how ridiculous it seems. If you happen to believe that a loving God cares about these kinds of things, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
What josh h said.
Amen @Josh H.
And @Brother Sky, yes it is still sexist. It improved a LOT with the most recent changes (but then that’s weird – what were my original covenants? Are they wiped out / revised???) but if you listen closely some of those changes are only cosmetic and the fundamental inequality (that men are priests and kings to God, but women are priestesses and queens to their husbands – not Gos) remains.
Also what Josh H said.
And yes Brother Sky, the most recent changed got rid of a lot of sexism but the fundamental inequality (that men are priests and kings to God but women are priestesses and queens to their husbands, not God) remains. A cosmetic change made this less obvious but it’s still there.
Oh sorry for the repeat!!! Had posting trouble.
Since I was raised and lived most of my life as a Mormon, I I know little of God and Christ.
However, I believe they would be offended by the opulence of the temples.
At least, they should be.
Agree with TC. It’s always seemed strange to me that we think god is as materialistic and shallow as we are: He wants us to wear our Sunday best, he wants us following pretty strict dress and grooming standards as BYU students, etc. And he wants us to build really opulent, expensive buildings to worship him in. I just don’t see god up there saying, “I said Carrara marble, not granite, you losers!”
If there is a second coming and it is accompanied by widespread destruction, I think the temples will be leveled and become nothing more than expensive pebbles and powder and a reminder of misspend money – some of it guilted from poor.
My most memorable experience in a Temple was being part of the choir for the dedication; so I object to the modern Temples not having assembly rooms where singing can occur. Were the temples of Kirtland, Nauvoo, and SLC the only ones that had them? We did a session at SLC and I couldn’t even get permission to stick my head in and view the assembly room. Has it any use now?
During my living ordinance session, my escort asked me “Do you think heaven will be like this?” I thought “I hope not; too quiet. If I am joyful in the spirit, I’m ready to sing praises, not keep my mouth shut.
Great discussion–honored to have started this one.
So I think part of the problem is how literally we take the temple ceremony. If we recognize, as many above have, that the endowment and other rituals are largely contrived, then that frees us up to recognize the power of the temple as a religious symbol, as well as recognizing that we can talk about needed changes.
I enumerated some of the ways in which the temple is such a powerful symbol, sacrifice being one. Now whether that should be 10% or less is another question.
I like to think about how what Brother Joseph characterized, late in his life, as one of the two grand fundamentals of our religion –friendship –might somehow color everything we could be doing in the temple. This would drive a few changes –but what an uplifting experience it could be!
I believe Joseph viewed the sealing powers as uniting the entire human family. Could sealings reflect this broader view? In the end, as Anna suggests, we will run to the people we love. We just lightly touch on that in the temple –it could be central.
The temple is a powerful symbol we can ill afford to lose. But we are a little too worried about getting every thing just right. The focus is on the ritual, not on what the ritual points to. The buddhists describe this as fixating on the Buddha’s finger, and not seeing the moon he points to. Perhaps I could spin that idea out a bit if our honorable webmasters grant me anew the privilege to contribute.
Love these comments. I’ve been thinking recently about how the modern church’s pharisaical emphasis on exactness sucks so much life out of experiences that could otherwise be spiritually uplifting (or worse, imbues them with horror).
Consider the mechanical brevity of confirmations in the baptistry. The hands go on the head, the words are said, the hands come off again (Very Important). Repeat dozens of times, hundreds of times, thousands of times. Salvation by assembly line. The spirits of the long-imprisoned dead shuffle by like so many patrons of the local DMV.
Or worse, consider a new convert who, like a woman I taught on my mission, has a phobia of water. My companion had to baptize her twice because her hair didn’t submerge completely and she had a full-on panic attack. Or consider my recently baptized niece whose hair also didn’t go all the way under and appeared, at least over zoom, to be quite upset and embarrassed about it.
Why would God care so much about these details that he would force baptisms to be redone over a hair or force sixteen-year-old boys to repeat a difficult sacrament text in front of hundreds of people several times because they missed a word? Why is it so important for a long dead spirit to have some words mechanically muttered on their behalf in a place thousands of miles from where they lived and died by a temple patron who may not even be fully awake? It’s a far cry from the eunuch who threw himself from his chariot and rushed with Philip to the water.
Love the post; love the comments. Thanks folks.
I’m not going to say what I think should or shouldn’t be done with temples because they don’t really enter into my belief system anymore.
I do have one comment about what is or isn’t secret. So, it has long been expressed, especially on more progressive blogs, that there are only a few things in the temple that we can’t talk about, and typically those are assumed to be only the things that people actually covenant not to disclose. Apparently a recent conference talk (by Bernard?) added some weight to that argument.
But when I attended the Idaho Falls temple on several occasions over several years they always had a sign by the exit as we left that had a quote from someone that contradicted the less restrictive philosophy. I wish I could find the quote or even remember who it was from, but alas 20 minutes of googling and I never did find it. Any, the gist was something like “members sometimes get too comfortable using words and phrases from the temple, talking about this and that, and we need to stop it and remember this is a sacred place and not talk about it.” I mean, I know that is way off, and I never had time to read the whole quote as I was walking out, but I think that was the general idea.
This reinforced a notion that I absorbed from my community: that we do not talk about the temple except very vague generalities. You can talk about anything reported in church sources like the ensign, the visitor center, or temple open houses, and that was it.
So maybe that notion will change, but I don’t think one talk from Bednar will do it. Really they should cover what exactly happens in the temple a lot more in church sanctioned materials.
And if they change the weird stuff, that is fine with me, too.
(I am AKA the Buddist Bishop)
I wonder why my comment about a black Jehovah or a brown Elohim in the temple movies did not elicit much comment. If we had continued with live acting rather than changing to movies, we would have unavoidably had people of color in key roles in the temple movies. So is there some reason we dont see people of color in these roles? (and perhaps I am guilty of squeezing too much stuff into one post!)
@John Jacob I get that, but I have never ever taken the temple literally and always worked hard to plumb it for meaning. The problem is that the weird stuff, with absolutely no explanation or context that might help us interpret it, gets in the way of a good experience.
And I do think we are supposed to take the covenants literally, which means that – at least when I went through – I covenanted to hearken to my husband and received no reciprocal covenant. The sexism and inequality also gets in the way of a positive temple experience.
I spent years going to the temple regularly and blaming myself for not liking it. Dropping that as a part of my worship actually enriched my appreciation of other ordinances – baptism and the sacrament, both of which actually came from Jesus and not masons and are based in scripture – and I improved my relationship with God and Jesus. So I guess I disagree that it’s a necessary symbol that we can’t do without. In its current iteration, it most certainly is something I can do without.
I am curious for what you would propose as an alternative. For me the sacrament is a perfectly good alternative.
@John Jacob I think it would great if – to the extent we continue to depict God and Jesus in the temple – we used a more diverse cast. As I mentioned in an earlier comment, it would also be super cool if Heavenly Mother had any kind of role whatsoever.
But to me that just really doesn’t change the fundamental issues. In the temple, a woman’s savior is not Jesus Christ. It is her husband. Honestly that is counter to Christian teachings and the atonement. So it’s super jarring to be told outside the temple one version and then get a different and actually contradictory story inside. Some of that has been resolved but not all. Changing some of the symbols or adding diversity to the cast doesn’t resolve that or a lot of other issues mentioned (like loyalty oaths to the Church rather than to God, etc)
I agree with Elisa on the problem of lacking diversity. Yes, it is a problem that Jesus, The Father, Adam/Michael and Eve are all depicted as Caucasian in the temple films. But that problem is everywhere in our racist church. Why is Jesus depicted in all the art we are allowed to use, always as Scandinavian? He was a Jew and should look like he comes from the Middle East. He should have dark hair, brown eyes, and a medium complexion, not lily white, with blue eyes and auburn hair.
I see the temple as just one out of many ways our history of racism still shows up.
I guess it is the same as how the original post didn’t bring up the sexism of the temple. There are just so many issues that we can only deal with the top 10 most painful to each of us as individuals, and the sexism kicks me in the teeth in a more personal way than the racism.
@Elisa I am not necessarily saying the temple is a necessary symbol. Just that it is a very powerful one. I do feel though that some major revamping is needed –getting rid of the masonic “weirdness” for starters. Making the temple much more about meditation and contemplation. Making our covenants more centered on love and charity. Shorter endowment session for sure!
I think recognizing these issues does not take away from recognizing the inspiration that drove brother Joseph to make temples central to our faith. So what is at the core of the temple –holding your hands just right? Or following a path of purification to the mountain of the Lord, where we learn of the beloved community of friendship that binds us all, and where we are bound all together?
I think it is a serious mistake to think that Joseph was guided 100% by inspiration in putting together temple worship. He clearly had some serious inspiration. But it is rarely the case that revelation comes as a finished product. But there is enough inspired ritual that we dont need to throw out the proverbial baby. It is the “baby” that we need to work with. Likely many of the brethren see this –but the changes are every so slow.
When I see things from a metaphorical perspective, and recognize that the temple ritual is not eternally decreed as we practice today, I can sit through that ceremony with much more patience.
The question I have had for quite a while, and for which I haven’t found a satisfactory answer is — if the tokens and signs can be jettisoned (and I think it is fairly certain that they are late masonic secret performative gestures and not divinely prescribed codes and passwords necessary to pass angels, then why is the ceremony necessary at all for those that have died? I was always taught that vicarious baptism was performed because those that have died without baptism lack a physical body and thus need someone with a body to perform this on their behalf — they could accept or reject the covenant, but could not do the physical ordinance without a body which necessitated our role. But, if the signs and tokens are not necessary and the endowment is a collection of covenants, then why can’t those who have died make those covenants? A body seems wholly unnecessary for the endowment without signs and tokens.
I can certainly understand and appreciate the binding the hearts to the fathers type of reasoning for vicarious work and feel there is a great deal of value and beauty with that. But, if that is the purpose and function, then the current temple endowment experience, narrative and setup just doesn’t work well to promote that type of connection – as so many of the comments above have eloquently illustrated.
Some anonymous person writing for the Church says:
“Everything in the temple points us to Jesus Christ. As we participate in temple ordinances, we are assured that He is mindful of us. He is involved in our lives and He is dedicated to our eternal happiness.
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In the temple, faithful Church members receive knowledge, power, and promises to prepare for the greatest gift of God—the gift of eternal life. Everything that occurs in the temple is centered on the Savior Jesus Christ, His role as our Redeemer, and His desire to have us return to the presence of God. In the temple, we are invited to commit to higher standards of personal conduct and faithfulness, showing the way we can “lay aside the things of this world, and seek for the things of a better” (D&C 25:10). In the temple, we are taught truths pertaining to the past, present, and future, thus receiving a “knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come” (D&C 93:24). In the temple, we come to more fully comprehend the Savior’s teaching that, “I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly” (John 10:10). In the temple, the Savior’s testimony of His divine role is affirmed to us repeatedly: “no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6).”
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/nearer-christ-through-temples?lang=eng
I have wondered sometimes whether I was so distracted by the weird or offensive stuff, that I couldn’t see whatever that writer claims happens in the temple. Yet there are some who do find enough peace, or whatever, in the temple to find it an enriching, spiritual experience. And there are some who are so greatly moved by the symbolism of being blessed and brought through the veil into the Lord’s presence that the problems in the prior experience do not matter much to them.
I am not convinced that “we are supposed to take [all] the covenants literally.” [fn1]
I once raised a question about the formerly non-reciprocal hearkening/obedience covenants with a writer who had claimed that the temple taught us proper relationships with our family members. His response seemed to suggest charity with respect to the 19th century members/leaders who were, he says, ahead of their time and culture by including women in such rituals at all, but more importantly he suggested that there is nothing in the temple that prevented a husband from making the reciprocal covenant with his wife, that it seemed a good idea to do that daily while waiting patiently for the desired change(s) to the endowment language. Of course, some of us are rather out of patience as the recent changes seem to have been delayed decades longer than they needed to be and still do not fully address the issue. Still, seeing the endowment language in a historical context has helped me moderate my natural aversion to some of it.
And, as for those alleged “sentinels”, the BoM prophet Jacob claimed there were none. “O then, my beloved brethren, come unto the Lord, the Holy One. Remember that his paths are righteous. Behold, the way for man is narrow, but it lieth in a straight course before him, and the keeper of the gate is the Holy One of Israel; and he employeth no servant there…” 2 Nephi 9:14. I choose to believe him on that score at least.
fn1 E.g., Gordon B. Hinckley seemed to enjoy “loud laughter,” a phrase that had 19th century uses other than referring to a high decibel level; not all Church leaders understand accepting the consecration covenant in the same way — some put family obligations ahead of doing to the max whatever your bishop suggests, etc.; in the 19th century “legally and lawfully” seems not to have been a reference to civil law (it seems to have been in use in polygamous sealings even when polygamy was neither legal nor lawful under civil law).
TC, I totally get and share the sentiment as to opulent temples, but if Exodus and 1 Kings are anywhere near an accurate expression of the Lord’s desires, then the Lord apparently loves opulence in his earthly abodes (and Jesus was very protective of the Temple of Herod too). I would add to that the very public and expensive nature of animal sacrifice called for in the Law of Moses (there’s a reason that the law provides cheaper alternatives for the poor). God may love us all, but but there is a scriptural argument that His tastes run more to Gucci than to Goodwill. It’s just one issue among many that I have with the scriptures about how God is depicted.
@Wondering I think there’s a difference between saying covenants are literal and saying they are outdated and not really enforced.
I really never believed God wanted me to hearken to my husband and have him not hearken back. I figured that was outdated. And you’re right that we could have chosen for my husband to agree to that – I guess privately??? But it was a covenant I was asked to make and there was really nothing symbolic about it. I rewrote it in my head as I went through it, but if I have to have an internal monologue rewriting all the sexist stuff in the temple in my head I have to wonder why I would bother to go if the written language doesn’t reflect God’s intent.
For me the hearkening piece wasn’t the worst part. It was when, after years of attending, it dawned on me that my husband was standing in Jesus’s place for me in the temple. It’s something many people don’t notice or realize (most assume that the “hearken” stuff and the veiling of faces was the only real difference between men and women) but once you see / experience it, you can’t unsee it. So I’m faced with either believing that God intends me to be subordinate to my husband who is my savior (which I don’t believe) or believing that the temple, which is supposed to signify our highest and holiest place where we get to know God and Jesus best, literally teaches false doctrine about the Atonement of Jesus Christ (and it’s inefficacy for women).
Sorry, I know I’ve totally threadjacked this. I just can’t really see what the temple is a valuable symbol of when it is so hugely problematic beyond just the weirdness. Weirdness I can handle but a sexist, atonement-denying theology? Not for me anymore. And the fact that it persisted like that for so many years doesn’t lend a lot of credibility to the idea that much if any of it is from God.
Not sure I understand this: “it dawned on me that my husband was standing in Jesus’s place for me in the temple.” It seems to derive from more than the formerly non-reciprocal hearkening covenant(s), but perhaps also from that stuff about being a priestess to your husband rather than to God. Anything else? ( I suspect BY and others wrote their 19th century patriarchal speculations about exaltation into some of the temple language.) Could the perception of atonement-denying be one side of an ambiguity? There seem to be a good many women and men who don’t see that in the temple.
Sometimes I wish the temple were “our highest and holiest place where we get to know God and Jesus best.” For me it is not, but I sometimes find other value there. Those times when I have most clearly felt or communicated with divinity have, quite frankly, had nothing at all to do with the temple. Moses and the burning bush and on Mt Sinai, Paul on the road to Damascus, Peter’s vision of extending the gospel to gentiles, Alma and the sons of Mosiah seeing an angel, JS’ first vision, instructions from Moroni, and priesthood restoration through Peter, James, and John also had nothing at all to do with a temple, so I guess I’m not without good company in getting to know God best elsewhere.
@Wondering I agree not many see it. I think that is because they aren’t expecting it and it’s difficult to see in the non-live version (but much clearer in the live version) so they assume men and women are largely making the same covenants to the same person and both have a direct relationship with God. But I absolutely think the claim I made is the accurate textual and performative interpretation of what happened in the endowment before last year’s changes. Those changes remedied a bunch of it but some remains.
The best description is here: http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/2014/04/the-mormon-priestess-the-short-version/
Again, I think one can decide “that’s not really how I choose to interpret what’s happening” but at some point running a complete counternarrative in one’s head in order to make it through an endowment session is exhausting.
Great post and comments. I don’t see that anyone has mentioned as how the temples are symbols of wealth and prestige. Their function is in large part the same of that of other impressively architected yet opulent and expensive religious monuments of the past: ostentation. Large buildings with unique and splendid appearance have a profound psychological effect on people. They impress them and give them the illusion of the grandeur of the person or organization that had the building built. They are a symbol of permanence where they are built. They aren’t rented space. They aren’t here today, gone tomorrow. They are a territorial marking that show that they are there to stay. Ancient Egyptians built some of the most impressive religious buildings I have ever seen, all in the name of religion. The LDS church is no different.
The BB: I do think how we depict characters in the temple movie deserves it’s own article. and it could be a doozie. The fact is that LDS’s have made very little headway in depicting Jesus at all reflecting his Semitic heritage (brown skin, dark eyes, etc.) in their artwork – a sure sign of subtle yet pervasive systemic racism. I wouldn’t hold my breathe for such a person to show up in the temple videos, let alone a black Jesus or an East Asian Peter. God the Father is even more problematic. Since Jewish artists did not depict Yahweh/El Elyon in any way because of prohibition, early Christian artists were left on their own for a model. And who did they choose? Zeus/Jupiter, the older, distinguished Greek gentleman with the white beard, white flowing Greek-style robe, and living in a Greek-pillared mansion. Wow, depicting Him in any other way – even like Morgan Freeman – would shake a whole lotta people to the core.
Great points, and interesting observations about the secretive nature of the less meaningful (to me) parts of the endowment. When I first went through the temple, I thought the dramatised narrative represented a more accurate sacred and inspired version of the creation and plan of salvation. This in spite of people telling me about how much of the ritual was symbolic. I had been exposed to so much scriptural fundamentalism. I slowly came to understand the creation as symbolic, and garden of Eden narrative, but stopped there without realising. Even though I had trouble imagining actual sentinels and security gates on the way to heaven, I never quite took it to be symbolic. I feel a bit more motivated to a attend the temple next time I safely and affordably can now. I feel like this discussion has freed up something within me so that I can better explore and appreciate the symbolic nature of the temple. It makes me want to keep the dramatised ritual of the endowment, but I would also be grateful for a shortened version. Perhaps we could have a regular short endowment with the covenants and a less frequent but longer narrative version for first-time live endowments and keen beans. The Masonic signs and tokens could be absent from both.
I also would love to see some racial diversity in the casting of roles in the films. If the narrative version was less frequent, perhaps we could somewhat revert back to live actors and get more localised racial representation. Live action endowments might be a bit challenging, with fewer and smaller rooms, but I’m sure we could work something out with some cool movable props.
We may yet see more changes in the temple as we continue to move across the broad threshold of the Millennium. Even so, I’m convinced that every piece of symbolism employed in the temple rituals as they now stand has profound meaning. There is nothing arbitrary, superfluous, or merely decorative in any of the rituals or symbols that pertain to the ordinances.
We should remember that the temple is, among other things, a place of learning. And if we attend with a sincere desire to understand the meaning of its symbolism and theology the Lord will reveal it to us as fast as we’re able to receive it.
Jack, If you were to have written “I believe if I attend with a sincere desire to understand the meaning of its symbolism and theology the Lord will reveal it to me as fast as I’m able to receive it,” your comment would sound less like a negative judgment on the sincerity of others who have attended for years seeking to understand without result.
I wonder if you’ve correctly understood the nature of symbolism and why you give the rituals as they now stand pride of place over their former forms and over future forms after yet more changes.
It is a problem. Here is a thread on the faithful Reddit. The original post was about how they didn’t feel the spirit in the temple and lots of responses about how repetition is the answer.
Jack, I have concluded after almost 50 years since I first got endowed, that people who talk like you, are like the people who said how beautiful the emperor’s new clothes were. They want to believe something so badly, that they delude themselves. Sorry to call you deluded, but you just called me all kinds of things by preaching at me that I need to go back more, and all what you implied I failed at by not seeing the beauty of the emperor’s new clothes. Every time I went, it took me weeks to convince myself that God isn’t a jerk. No, going back does not help. It just makes me hate God or hate myself. People won’t say what all this symbolism means, because, oh gee, nobody knows. If a person can’t explain the symbolism and other people recognize it, then it isn’t deep symbolism, it is gobbletogook. If it takes you 50 years to figure out, oh wait, they changed that. When I first went there were many many things that bothered me. Well, most have them have been changed, which only convinces me more that my gut feeling is correct and what I feel is wrong, really is wrong. My gut feeling was correct all along and it only takes the “prophet” 50 years or so to catch up with my gut feeling.
Anna, While I clearly lean more toward your side of the disagreement with Jack than his, I wonder if the comparison to the emperor’s new clothes sets up an either/or, black or white dichotomy that is not the only or necessary way to look at the issue. What if, instead of its being some kind of secret symbolic road map to the ultimate realities of self, God, and the universe, the temple were primarily a teaching tool in the hope (divine or otherwise) of leading people to righteous living and acceptance of the grace of God. In that case, like any other teaching tool, it could work for some or to some degree and fail for others without fault or virtue of any of them, but only as a result of their differences. In that case, it would seem that changes in the temple over time should be expected and that such changes would be too fast for some and greatly too slow for others.
That hypothesis reminds me of something from Elder Orson F. Whitney’s 1928 general conference talk:
“God is using more than one people for the accomplishment of his great and marvelous work. The Latter-day Saints cannot do it all. It is too vast, too arduous, for any one people. . . . . Again I say, the Lord’s Work has need of auxiliaries outside as well as inside, to help it along. Because of their worldly influence—which would depart if they connected themselves with the Church—many are kept where they are, where the Lord has placed them, and can best use them for the good of all.”
It also reminds me, by analogy, of a concept in Davis Bitton’s talk “I Don’t Have a Testimony of the History of the Church”. He noted that, in his view, for those who “discover” in Church history something devastating to their testimony, the “problem is not the religion; the problem is the incongruity between the expectation and the reality.” Unfortunately, there are a good many Jacks in Church leadership and membership that seem to be engaged in encouraging overblown or even wrong expectations. I’ve wondered, to no avail, what could be done about it — on the assumption as to the temple, of course, that there may be something to the teaching tool hypothesis or, at least, that one should learn to approach the temple as “performative theology”. See Jim Faulconer’s article in Dialogue, Fall 2020.
For a long time it bothered me that after Eve covenants with Adam she doesn’t say a word for the rest of the film, just smiles at people or huddles under Adam’s arm. I don’t know if they’ve changed that since I stopped attending.
@Jack, I agree that every element of the temple has meaning, but that meaning is often found in earthly origins. The Masonic influence is well-documented. 19th century views on the fall of Adam are easy to trace. I’m happy for anybody who finds something transcendent and profound in the temple, but we shouldn’t dismiss people who find elements of it uncomfortable when those elements come from human hands.
My first personal experience in the temple was doing baptisms for the dead as a 12yo Beehive (now cancelled). The workers in the basement of the Salt Lake temple gave us each a homemade double layer double knit polyester bra to wear. It would be a few years before I would need much of a bra, but even so, these bras outdid themselves. It wrapped around my puny body nearly twice, and had hopelessly long strings to somehow anchor it in place. No exaggeration.
I think that first temple bra inoculated me to temple weirdness.
Also, the lack of melanin in the actors (I’m feeling generous calling them actors) hasn’t gotten the attention it deserves. Thank you, Buddhist Bishop! Sadly, I had noticed it in Deseret Book ads. Even quite recently.
Also, the covenants are made under duress. Multiple levels of duress. So they are moot.
Also, the only movie made with any sense of tastefulness was one of the 1990 ones. Even then, they could have made god and jesus’ robes out of real silk instead of polyester satin. I’ve only seen two of the (2015?) movies, and their sense of opulence in the garden of eden had reverted to the first movies made when glass grapes were ubiquitous. Artificial. (Though I think glass grapes would now be appealing in a retro way. Preferably in amber.)
So many points from everyone that helps me understand my gut better. Thanks!
Jack, I need your help. Can you explain to me what it is that you understand and I do not? I’m happy , by the way, that this works for you, but I continue to be baffled after 40 years of temple attendance.
I don’t think one talk from Bednar will do it.
It will not, but it is not just one talk. Our temple’s matron referenced the talk in a recent Stake Conference, described it as “the talk that changes everything,” and read out loud the passages naming the covenants made during the endowment in order. She was going out of her way to get our attention and start a conversation. Hopefully, she is not alone.
My philosophy is that the more we talk about the stuff we are allowed to talk about, the less important the weird stuff will seem.
@anna yes! To feel that something is wrong but try so hard for so many years to make sense of it only to learn, finally, that it always was wrong and there’s no sense to be made!
I agree that symbols are only valuable with some kind of interpretive reference or key. Which is mostly lacking for the temple.
Wondering, I respect your thinking and that is a good theory…..except that the church refuses to allow me to be in good standing with that kind of belief held openly. I tried. But bishop after bishop treated me like I needed fixing before I could be worthy of holding a calling and all the things that go along with full fellowship. It isn’t as simple as I am making it sound, but it is kind of a complicated situation that I couldn’t just act like everything was fine and keep a temple recommend and just pretend like I actually used it. So, I had 40 years where bishops kept insisting on fixing me, when really it is the church that is broken. About 10 years ago, I *finally* decided that it isn’t me that is broken and I just left the church. I am so much happier. My hubby is still in, so I stay connected. But I harbor no illusions that the temple ceremony came from God, so I don’t see it as a teaching tool that works for some. Nope, I see the whole thing as a con invented by Joseph Smith. But, yes the church is good for some people and some people get some kind of spiritual something from the temple and some people apparently don’t trust God enough to believe that He will make heaven a happy place and for it to be a happy place our loved ones will be there. No sad heaven. So, some people feel really assured by the sealing promise and it comforts them to believe they have earned something that the unrighteous don’t get. Me, I think they are going to be really shocked to find that those “unrighteous” people have learned something from their mistakes and are right their in heaven with us, because God is more loving and forgiving than most of us can imagine.
Elisa, I like the way you worded that better than I knew how. Yes, I struggled for years, painful years, trying to make sense of it only to find out there was no sense to be made out of it.
Anna, Just last year Bishop Bill posted this old joke:
“St. Peter conducts a group of people on a tour through heaven and shows them where the different churches are located. As they pass one room, St. Peter says, “Shhh! Quiet! Those are the Mormons; they think they’re the only ones here.” ”
I don’t remember him noting that it is a joke that has been passed around by Mormons among Mormons for multiple decades. I remember it from at least 50 years ago. I suspect there are many more Mormons who agree that “that those ‘unrighteous’ people have learned something from their mistakes and are right there in heaven with us, because God is more loving and forgiving than most of us can imagine” than one would suppose from you multiple-bishop (and other experience). I suspect they just don’t say so publicly.
Though he put it in terms of ordinance work for the dead, even Wilford Woodruff said “There will be very few, if any, who will not accept the Gospel.” So, I suppose he was also expecting a heaven crowded with people who were not “righteous” Mormons on earth.
@Jack, I’m just not sure you realize the implications your words have for women. If every single thing in the temple is full of meaning, then women need to figure out what on earth they are supposed to learn from the idea that we are subordinate to men and access God through our husbands. I know SO many women whose relationship with God was destroyed because they became convinced that God didn’t trust or respect them as much as their husbands. I know women who had full-fledged panic attacks in the temple over all the “hearken” stuff, precisely because they were trying so hard to believe and find meaning.
So no, I refuse to believe there is meaning to be found in everything in the temple, at least not a meaning that’s tied to some of what’s actually taught / done there. (If your meaning is completely disconnected from what’s actually said and done in the temple, then I don’t see how the temple is a useful symbol or medium for that meaning.). And I hate to pull a “men will never understand this” but honestly such a big part of the issue is the way we *experience* the temple that I truly don’t think men will understand what it was like to go through that as a women. Which is probably why it took so long to change since the only people with the ability to make any changes were men.
@Anna I am sorry for your experiences. I’m fortunate to have been surrounded by more sympathetic people then it sounds like you’ve dealt with.
“the Temple adds additional tokens or symbols. With some significant exceptions, there is no real meaning to many of these symbols” -Buddhist Bishop
“I’m convinced that every piece of symbolism employed in the temple rituals as they now stand has profound meaning.” -Jack
We obviously have a differing of opinion here. If I may point out, symbolism is a centerpiece of much of what goes on in life. It’s the interpretation that is the key. To get a brief understanding of specific handclasps, which includes and predates freemasonry, check out https://gnosticwarrior.com/the-freemason-handshake.html.
One of my concerns with all of the temple building is the inordinate amount of money being spent on the dead, sometimes at the expense of the living (parents being told in general conference to pay tithing even when there is not enough money to buy food or needed utilities for their children).
While certain ideas in the temple are beautiful, such as the redemption of the dead, is God’s nature such that he requires withholding resources from the living to accomplish these ends?
I find a lot of spaces in our society to be sacred. In hospitals, people give life. They die, mourn, and heal in hospitals. They experience some of the most profound joys and sorrows. In schools, universities, and tutoring spaces people unlock mysteries of our universe; their minds are fed and their souls are nurtured. In soup kitchens and food banks those who are an hungered are given meat. In shelters those estranged from society are taken in. In prisons disenfranchised people are visited. We could bring to life Matthew 25:35. Is there more sacred work we could engage in? Could we consider these places temples and build these spaces and programs where they are lacking? Could this be a way to fill the directive in Malachi 3?
@NOT A COUGAR
The Lord loves opulence and leans towards Gucci. What?????
I think you might have unwittingly hit the nail right on the head, punching serious buttons for me, if indeed I interpret you correctly.
Boy–this one really hurts, but it might have opened a wound where the light gets in. Definitely generated some pondering on this.
I think you may be confounding sacrifice of the very best with a fixation on opulence. The saints in Ohio sacrificed there very best when the crushed their beautiful china to make that plaster glitter. Yes–the very best opulence they could afford. In the days of their poverty. The Lord accepted and praised their sacrifice. Nothing to do really with opulence.
We are not in the days of our poverty any more. Do the nice (the very nicest even) things that we put in the temples now reflect any great degree of sacrifice? Maybe somewhat–but not what the Kirtland saints gave and not even what the 19th century LDS saints gave to build the SLC temple. We need to take a vow of poverty and do as @Madi suggests above. Put that 100G to work alleviating poverty (which is more or less what Elder Holland suggested in the last conference. I know he didnt mention tapping into the $100G, but he might as well have).
So I absolutely do not believe the Lord leans towards opulence. And I aint goin’ to no Gucci heaven. I’ll take the road through Deseret Industries thank you very much!
@Jack
Profound meaning in every aspect of temple worship?
What about how we hold our hands to carry out our own evisceration should we fail to keep a secret? We dont simulate the evisceration any more, but we still make ready to do so. Is there some kind of meaning associated with that?
I know there is much angst amongst our sisters here about the Temple. We can remove these issues and many others easily enough. But there is no symbol quite like the temple. The temple is a symbol of the mountain of the Lord, the scaling of which requires a path of purification. It can symbolize the grand unification of all of humanity. Our vows of consecration could become so much more central to the whole endowment. Could we imagine that we are endowed with power from on high to do the work of Matthew 25:35? Yes we could imagine that. But not if we believe that every gesture, every handshake, every ill-fitting robe comes to us unadulterated by human contrivance. We can only imagine it to be so if we see where the real inspiration is in the Temple.
I really believe brother Joseph was inspired in his vision of temple work. But the core of this vision was really quite simple. As in much of his ministry, Joseph loved to borrow from other traditions–including masonry, to spiff things up and perhaps add a little pomp and ceremony. The masonic stuff very much appealed to people in the 1830s and 40s, but does not resonate very much with our sensibilities today.
Why cant we look at this clearly and save the good while dispensing with the not-quite-so-good? What would Br Joseph be doing if he lived here now? He would be busy spiffing things up for our day!
Well I probably shouldn’t play the role of fact-police, but the story about donating the best China for the temple masonry is probably bogus. Rick B discussed this with historians a few years back.
https://wheatandtares.org/2017/03/15/kirtland-temple-school-myths/
By saying this, I don’t mean to either refute or support John Jacob’s comment. The fact that his specific example is probably a myth doesn’t necessarily mean he is wrong about opulence.
Personally, I think the temples are the way they are because of a self perpetuating mythos. We talk of the sacrifices the early church members made, and also the ancient temples, and leaders feel they must make temples to match the legend. This would naturally lead to some opulence. I don’t know how much discussion there is about whether money could be better spent on something else.
“Ancient Egyptians built some of the most impressive religious buildings I have ever seen, all in the name of religion. The LDS church is no different.” Except that LDS temples are neither architecturally impressive nor particularly splendid. I’m frequently reminded of hotels and funeral homes when I view the exteriors and the interiors are far worse. Please, enough with the icheezy French Provincial furniture! I suppose Buddhists can meditate anywhere, but I don’t find hotel lobbies ideal.
“Why cant we look at this clearly and save the good while dispensing with the not-quite-so-good?” Because “we” (the general membership of the church, local and areal leaders, etc.) don’t have any say in the matter. The current FP, as recently as July 2020, have proclaimed that “the sacred teachings, promises, and ceremonies of the temple are of ancient origin”. Not a lot of wiggle room there. As long as those at the top continue to beat this drum, nothing is going to change (except the things that already have).
John Jacob, I stand by what I said. Solomon’s temple was extremely opulent according to the description provided in 1 Kings and yet Solomon was able to build an even more lavish palace at the same time so I don’t know that Solomon was sacrificing much to build the temple. Also, the various sacrificial offerings prescribed make it clear that conspicuous consumption was a major part of the Law of Moses (bullocks don’t grow on trees).
Of course this all assumes the Old Testament narrative is historical and a lot of very smart people doubt that the House of David ever ruled over a wealthy and powerful united kingdom. For my part, I much prefer my Lord lying in a manger or feeding the 5000 or eating with publicans and sinners rather than hanging out in a granite-clad temple in a nice suburb of some city.
Sorry–I don’t mean to be judgmental. But I do offer my witness that the Lord does speak to us–and that we can know the meaning behind the temple rituals. In my case–I received my endowment about 40 years ago. So it’s been a very slow “line upon line” process of learning. And, of course, I still have a long way to go–as we all do.
That said, I’ve also learned that God is patient–and that he’ll work with us at whatever pace we’re able to muster. He truly is lowly in heart and full of love–meek and approachable.
Our current temples take both time and money. Temples don’t make efficient use of temple workers’ time. What if those temple workers were helping young children with their reading? If the retired professionals were helping disadvantaged high school students with their homework? If they were serving up soup for members of society who are homeless?
@madi I love your vision of hospitals, homeless shelters, schools, etc as temples! Love love love. And same to your thought about the good that temple workers (and patrons) could do with the people who are living and breathing right here in front of us.
Remember the moving scene at the end of Schindler’s List when the still living Schindler Jews place stones on Oskar Schindler’s grave? The symbolism of that gesture is meaningful: “It is not customary in Judaism to leave flowers at a grave after visiting. It is believed to be more appropriate to give money to charity that could otherwise be spent on flowers.” (See Visitation Stones, Wikipedia). Rocks are a durable, cost-free way to leave a tribute. And beautiful.
Madi outlined several of the many real needs of living people vs. spending time and money on the dead.
I wish that John Jacob were right when he wrote, “We are not in the days of our poverty any more”. Unfortunately, income inequality and wealth disparity were already gross, then the pandemic exacerbated the divide. The Utah food bank is now distributing 300% more food than a year ago. Distributions through Salt Lake City School District alone are up 500%, (Salt Lake Tribune 1/3/2020).
To me, symbolism is an aspect of ideology. Symbolism, in particular, inherently is personal interpretation. When symbolism clashes with reality (based on observation, experimentation, study, knowledge…), I find it meaningful to act based on reality.
Just a couple more thoughts on the attack that Jack has endured concerning the fact that he finds meaning in all the symbols in the temple:
1) religious symbolism is so varied throughout the world that individuals can find inspiration in just about anything they choose. The fact, pointed out by the Buddhist Bishop, that nowhere in the temple ceremony are many of the tokens explained, is indeed accurate – although we do understand their role in maintaining secrecy – does not preclude Jack imbuing them with sacred meaning. Sacred clothing and activities are a part of sacred rituals everywhere and are looked on by their adherents as significant.
2) one’s world view can greatly affect what one views as sacred. In the great Alma the Younger vs. Korihor smackdown, Alma soon hits on the main thing that separates the two of them: Alma basically sees everything in his universe – the good, the bad, and the ugly – as denoting that there is a God. Korihor looks at the exact same stuff and sees nothing of the sort. Sacred, to at least some extent, is in the eyes of the beholder.
3) the fact that Joseph Smith appropriated symbols from one tradition and used it in a new one does not automatically negate their efficacy. On what was originally understood by His disciples as the Passover feast, Jesus used elements of the Seder meal (unleavened bread and wine) to create the symbolic emblems of his death in the sacrament, basically transferring their use from remembrance of the Israelites escape from Egypt to Christ’s providing escape from sin and death. In my earlier post I made note of a site showing that hand clasps which we refer to as “Masonic” often had place in religious and quasi-religious activities of centuries past (and, yes, I do realize from Heber C. Kimball and others that freemasonry was seen by it’s practitioners as being of ancient origin itself). Symbols, as well as symbolic meaning, is transferrable.
4) so how does a symbol become “sacred”? The mountain area where Moses saw the burning bush had been trodden over for centuries by shepherds who would have noted nothing special about it. But the moment that God announces “take off your sandals ‘cuz you’re walking on sacred ground”, everything changes for Moses. It’s sacred now because God says it’s sacred. To Jack, the fact that the symbols are included in temple ceremonies is, to him, a celestial stamp that they have significance and if some are taken out, it’s done through revelation.
None of the above is said in any way to refute the concerns expressed by individuals whose experience with parts of the endowment is real and painful. I just believe that we need to cut Jack some slack in his attempt to be entirely faithful to what TBB calls “perhaps the most powerful symbol of the Restoration, and one of the most powerful of any religious symbol in the world.”
Just some thoughts. You all may begin thumbing down my remarks now.
Thanks, rickpowers. Let me add, if I may: I think it’s important to understand that the scriptures — the Book of Mormon in particular — seem to identify a threshold beyond which are found those doctrines that are classified as “mysteries.” Certainly this dichotomy may be found anywhere along the path of salvation depending upon one’s preparations. Nevertheless, there seems to be a general division point between those things that are openly visible for all to see and those things that only the initiated are permitted to witness. The modern temple seems to serve as a basic marker vis a vis these divisions.
That being said, our lived experience with revelation and sacred knowledge is more fluid than the basic outline I’ve provided above. We must learn to become trust worthy with any degree of sacred knowledge in any situation–whether it be how we teach the Law of Chastity to youngsters to personal revelation that is too sacred to share with anyone–ever–not even in the temple. The Word is a living thing and the Lord must know that he can trust us not to abuse it before he will increase our current allowance, so to speak–indeed, before he will reveal the “greater things” as spoken of in the BoM.
And this brings me to what I believe to be marvelous news. It seems (to me) that there is a connection of sorts between what is termed as the “greater things” and that which was shown to the brother of Jared, i.e., the vision of all things. This is the knowledge that the BoM speaks of in relation to what’s in the sealed portion of plates and also the fulness of the words of the Savior (to the Nephites) which Mormon was forbidden to share. It is the vision or revelation of all things from the foundation of the world to the end thereof. And this is the good news–that we are provided with a skeletal structure of that wondrous vision in the temple. And so, in a certain sense, the “vision of all” is made available to all those who have entered the temple. It’s just a matter of putting meat on the bones as it were–and that is generally experienced as a slow revelatory prosses–line upon line if you will. The Lord, over time, helps us to fill in the gaps a little here and a little there until a beautiful mosaic begins to appear. And as the mosaic becomes more fully developed a wondrous vision of all things past, present, and future begins to emerge.
And as I stated above — poorly I should say; my apologies for offending any of you dear brothers and sisters — all of those symbolic elements that pertain to the ordinances of the temple are, IMO, calculated to help us capture that vision and our place in it.
Rick Powers. I think you’ve described well and briefly how people including Jack imbue symbols with sacredness and meaning. I wonder, however, whether a person’s imbuing a symbol with such meaning can be fairly described as her finding by revelation a sacral meaning put there by someone else. Perhaps. But that may be partly a matter of merely learning and sharing a culture with those that assembled the symbols, rather than some revelation from God of otherwise hidden propositional knowledge about history, the universe, and her place in it. For some the endowment has much greater meaning as a modified 19th century artifact than as a 21st century source of knowledge or power. For some of them participation has meaning as an expression of community solidarity in the body of Christ that includes those 19th century saints who may have imbued it with greater meaning.
Jack, Yours seems to me a beautiful theory but it founders somewhat on women’s place in that vision being dramatically (even if not completely) different before the most recent changes than it is after the most recent changes. Perhaps I’ve misunderstood the scope of what you mean by “all of those symbolic elements that pertain to the ordinances of the temple.” But, if you were to substitute the word “intended” for “calculated” in your last sentence, it would make more sense to me. As a calculation, some of those “symbols” ares so far off the mark for many 20th and 21st century men and women that they do not help, but instead hinder capturing such a vision. For them, they are a significant miscalculation. Perhaps the difficulty is the generalization inherent in your use of first person plural as if everyone reacts to, or should react to, or imbues or should imbue the “symbols” with the same meaning you do. I’ve found I can imbue the whole process [baptism, initiatory, endowment, sealing] with general meaning on an idealized course of life and destination and can do that better by ignoring some 19th century language and details. I’ve found I can imbue two of the tokens, one of their signs, and all of their names with meaning consistent with the concepts of being made/allowing oneself to be made a new creature in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17 ). I can imbue the notion of receiving even otherwise inexplicable tokens as arbitrary markers of hoped-for progress or as mnemonic devices. But that doesn’t prevent other aspects of the temple from being 19th century masonic irrelevancies or irritating, even offensive, 19th century cultural/linguistic artifacts for some. For them, the temple experience is poorly, perhaps even incompetently, calculated or at the very least the way they were prepared for the temple and allowed to form expectations of it was deficient or even destructive, however, unintentionally so.
As to mysteries, there are significant scriptures that identify the important thing once hidden from the world: e.g., Colossians 2:1-3
that being “knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God’s mystery, which is Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” or Ephesians 3:2-6 “Assuming that you have heard … how the mystery was made known to me by revelation, as I have written briefly. When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.”
Of course, as always, there remains the possibility that I’m just out to lunch. 🙂
I have loved all the comments. Thank you for the post.
About 20 years ago, my husband and I decided it was time to “buckle down” and go to the temple. We took the temple prep classes through two priesthood members in our ward. We had two children, a 10-year-old and a 5-year-old. The classes were vague, but fine.
It’s here that I say that on the day of our trip to the temple, I had absolutely NO IDEA of what was happening. The prep classes did not center AT ALL on the actual time. It was a long, anxiety-ridden ceremony. I am still mortified that I participated in the whole thing. Certainly it was a clean place. The church has spared no expense in their temple decor. No cheap Ikea stuff for them! Top of the line. All white. And little old ladies and men all relishing the roles they play in keeping it running like a well-oiled machine.
During the session, one thing that still stands out to me is that the “witness couple” was actually one of the guys (and his wife) from my ward who taught us the prep classes. I just kept sitting there wondering why he was a “witness” but didn’t mention that during the lessons. Later I understood that these couples are picked at random before the session begins.
We had tons of family and friends who were there. All seemed so happy and content. And comments in the CR were the same, i.e., “if you don’t understand, keep coming to the temple and it will eventually all make sense to you”. “Ask any questions now, or wait until you can meet with the Temple President”.
I know there are a lot of mysteries. I have read some masonic information and know that the tokens, language, handshakes, etc., are all part of what has been adopted into the LDS temple ceremonies. Maybe I just have a shallow thought process and don’t understand the “deeper” things of life. I don’t know. I did go back a few times, heeding the advice of many. It did not help. It only made it worse.
I am much happier with that part of my life in the past. I will NEVER participate in something like that again. And to those of you who understand and to whom it provides great joy and satisfaction, I am glad that you found peace with the temple and what it means in your lives.
Wow, we have really squeezed a lot of meaning out of this thread, and some great insights as we surely near the end!
@SASSO –I meant the “days of our poverty” to refer to the institutional church. Sitting on a $100G nest egg surely contrasts with the days of our forebears. I think however you look at, in years/decades past, a much greater amount of personal sacrifice was required.
I am really bummed about the ground up china story–need more sacrifice metaphors!
And metaphor is what the Temple is all about. Metaphor in large part is how meaning is imbued. The strongest metaphor associated with the Temple is the Temple itself –the mountain of the Lord, a holy place that requires a path of purification, etc. You have to ask what the metaphors point to. The temple itself points to sacrifice and purity. For me, the secret handshake elements and the robes point only to “doing it right” or getting it “just right”. Yes of course a couple of the hand gestures do refer to the crucifixion, such that I can focus on those. But what about the other gestures, and in particular the robes? Most of us, particularly men, find the robes quite uncomfortable and try to get out of them as soon as possible. So what do these garments point to?
Think of other metaphors and symbols we use. Baptism is pretty straightforward and we can weave any number of meaningful metaphors out of baptism –dying of the old person, birth of the new. How about the sacrament –no problem there in pondering those symbols.
I think one of the main problems with the temple ritual is that is puts a premium on “hidden knowledge”. No doubt that shared hidden knowledge binds those that share that knowledge. But is that how we really think about how the Lord operates? Back to the original postulate –that which is most sacred in the temple is not all secret.
An aside—
We have been watching a netflick series called Shtisel. The story focusses on a ultra orthodox family in Jerusalem. It is fascinating to watch how symbols imbue their lives with meaning. The men appear to have a lot more, shall we say sacred?, garments — hats, yarmulks, side curls, etc etc. But they smoke like chimneys! One person’s sacred is a another’s banal. or something…
Great discussion and a nice thanks/welcome to our W&T guest poster Buddhist Bishop.
I think the number of comments in the thread reflects how much importance and air time official LDS discourse gives to the temple, combined with how little substantive discussion is directed to what any of it means (apart from pay your tithing and believe everything your leaders tell you). So the average LDS is pretty much clueless about any meaning beyond the superficial flow of events in the narrative presentation. Literal versus figurative, plots versus dialogue, signs and tokens … huh?
Even the helpful directive that was once featured in the temple script itself up until 1990, that the presentation “is simply figurative as far as the man and the woman are concerned,” has been removed, so two generations of temple-going Mormons think it’s all a literal depiction of literal events, when even the temple presentation itself (up until 1990) made it clear that was not what was intended. Maybe there needs to be a Gospel Topics Essay on the origin and development of the LDS temple endowment and other activities performed therein. Wouldn’t that be helpful for temple prep class.
“Ask any questions now, or wait until you can meet with the Temple President”.
I wonder why some people say this. I’ve known a few temple presidents rather well. They seemed to have no better idea than I did what it all meant or why it was as it was. One of them told me, from his experience, that temple presidents are themselves given no instruction relevant to meaning, but only instructions as to procedures.
Perhaps the meaning of various parts of temple clothing is as simple as the old story that the collars on the old style temple garments were added because Emma thought they looked better that way, or the newer story that the plastic circle inside men’s caps was added to keep 1960s Dippity-do hair gel from getting into the fabric.
But, seriously, we seem to have inherited a 19th century attempt to incorporate into religious symbolism something modeled somewhat after, but not expensive or ornate like, the robe, sash, and turban prepared for Aaron to function as a priest. See descriptions in Exodus and Leviticus. (The apron has its own symbolism drawn from the Adam & Eve story.) If that’s so, then it meant something to 19th century people who were more biblically literate than most contemporary Mormons. It seems it would have meant something about extending priesthood to all participants, men and women, and about their preparing themselves to meet God as the high priest of the OT was prepared to meet God in the tabernacle’s inner sanctuary, the Holy of Holies. It would have meant something about their faith that their religion was connected to or a “restoration” of what they read as a record of God’s dealings with Israel as His chosen people. In the common absence of thorough discussion of those things in temple preparation, it would seem that it becomes primarily a weird, 19th century dress-up ritual devoid of meaning, merely inviting obsession with getting things “just-so” and inviting officious temple workers to go beyond their instructions to insist on things like placing the elastic in men’s caps at mid-forehead. I wonder what meaning that guy imbued in the placement of elastic.
Oh, well.
So bottom line, I believe members still come to the temple in large numbers. In my opinion, they come for the family sealings, IN SPITE of the totally irrelevant (IMHO of course)masonic weirdness. That speaks to the strength of this incredible symbol, even after you strip out all that we have discussed here.
Approximately 10 years ago (when I was still “all in” – and going to the Temple once a week) I stopped one of the senior Temple Workers one day and asked “where is the revelation to Joseph Smith wherein the Endowment Ceremony was revealed and given to mankind”? Well, this Temple Worker was positively flummoxed, asked another nearby worker for his opinion and then they both declared “why, we have no idea”; “we only know that it came by divine revelation. Admittedly, I was kinda/sorta stunned that no one could answer this simple question – but this experience did prove to be a catalyst for me to go into a “deep dive” to discover where in the world this hocus pocus came from. While I could comment at length about all that I’ve learned, for this space, suffice it to say that anyone interested in the LDS Temple Ceremony really should read Illustrations of Masonry, by Captain William Morgan; published in 1826. (Which Joseph Smith most certainly would have had access too; as a Master Mason). Honestly, it’s pretty much all there – with a few terms, names and descriptions modified a bit.
From my perspective now, none of this is sacred; regardless of how LDS Church Leadership likes to declare it as such. The ceremonies are nothing more than well worn rituals, copied from another secret society; used to make people feel unique and special; coupled with an attempt to bind them to promises they have no business asking for.
In my opinion, there’s more sacredness in a tulip which grows unbidden in Spring; than in any multi-million dollar LDS Temple.
Madi: My sincere compliments for your absolutely beautiful perspectives and narratives. Well done, my friend. Well done. I wish YOU were in the First Presidency of the LDS Church. There’s more sincerity and holiness in your comments that ANYTHING I’ve heard out of our “rock-stars” in SLC; in a long, long time.
Wondering,
In answer to your first question — and this will probably seem like an overly simplistic answer — the man and the woman are to be one. Functionally speaking, they both inherit all things together regardless of the apparent top-down relationship (which I believe to be a product of rendering the multidimensional reality of heaven into mundane symbols). IMO, “higher and lower” might in some cases be synonymous with “outer and inner.” Unity is the key.
A book that makes sense of it all is “Understanding Your Endowment” by Cory B. Jensen.
It really makes a difference.
Jack, yes, in the temple, the man and woman are to be one….by obliterating the woman. She become property of the man by “giving “ herself to him, and is placed under him so that her wants and needs are secondary to his, which of course are secondary to God’s. She is to obey him as he obeys God. Not “if” he obeys God, but in exactly the same unquestioning way that he obeys God. And she is to become a priestess to him in the same way he is a priest of God. That is not two equals joining in unity, but the woman being completely subsumed under the man. Sure, they have tried to obfuscate that by making changes to the wording.
I have never felt so much like I didn’t even exist as I did on my wedding day when your jerk god welded me onto my husband’s body as nothing but an appendage to him. You may feel just fine about that kind of “becoming one,” but it isn’t so great from the side of she who ceases to exist as a person.
And I don’t mind a bit that some people find beauty and deep meaning in the temple ceremony. What I object to is those people assuming that I am less spiritual, less righteous, less in tune with God than they are. To me looking at the temple symbolism is like one of those psychological ink blot tests. Oh, sure I can imagine things in the ink blots and it is a fun game to play, but I don’t start thinking that what I imagine is reality. Someone else can and will imagine something else and it is just as “true” as what I imagine. You are like a psychologist who would call someone crazy for not seeing the same beautiful pictures you see, well, not crazy, but less righteous. You are sure that the temple comes from God, so you interpret those ink blots as things that will lead you back to God. And then you assume that anyone who doesn’t see beauty is less righteous. So, really the emperor’s new cloths is not a good analogy because the ink blots are real ink blots, just not pictures of anything real. In all my 50years of asking people what they see in the ink blots, no one has been able to point to a God who loves his daughters in any way that can get me too see what they see. It isn’t like an optical illusion that if I look close enough I can spot the illusion. No, when I look closer, I only see that what they tell me they see is illogical, contradicted somewhere else, or just missing part of the picture. I have heard theories, like the two trees, but I see so many problems with that theory that it is only wishful thinking. I can not unsee what I have seen. More often when I talk with someone, I just figure out that they are ignoring what I see because they don’t like it. And people like you come along and dismiss it as my lack of faith. And I dismiss what you say as self righteous bull shit.
There are good symbols for two equals becoming one whole. Yin yang is one example. But Mormonism’s symbols all end up with two becoming one by the one totally absorbing and erasing the other. And I reject that those symbols come from a loving God.
Anna, Some of what you describe has been changed (the “giving” and the “hearkening” covenant) in the endowment and the sealing ceremony (though, in my view not fully changed).
And yet I was surprised to hear a temple president assert in stake conference that there had been no change to the covenants. Who knows what he meant?! I left it to others to ask him or not.
Anna,
I’m sorry for your painful experience with the temple. It’s my hope that as we continue to cross the broad threshold of the Millennium more will be revealed regarding mother Eve as a priestess and the power with which her daughters are endowed as priestesses in the Kingdom. I give it to you as my opinion that there are wonders yet to be revealed regarding the economy of heaven that will make plain the power of the divine feminine as that which is most sacred and glorious above all.
Thanks with your honest attempt to deal with our questions Jack, and thankyou everyone for expressing your struggles, it is such a comfort to me to know that I am not alone in this. Perhaps the only thing that matters is ‘Holiness to the Lord’.
Funny this thread is still going.
Jack, thank you for trying to answer questions. When the church makes changes to the point that I feel love from “Mormon God” then I will consider if I want to return or not. Right now I am quite content in exploring Mormonism, but believing that Joseph Smith made it all up.
Wondering. Yes, I know that some cosmetic changes have been made. But I am kind of with that stake president in feeling that nothing has really changed. Now I believe that husbands also “give” themselves to their wife, but then the church added back in that the husbands preside. Funny, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
The church leaders do seem to follow the feminist discussions, because most of the changes were exactly the things that the feminists have talked about for years. Maybe if the changes had been made before life turned me into a cynical old woman 😉 maybe if the changes had looked like inspiration, maybe if it was ahead of the predominant culture instead of dragging 50 years behind…..lots of maybes.
But, I am OK and know God is OK with where I am at.
Dave B.
There is such an essay: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/masonry?lang=eng
Someone mentioned (above) the book “Understanding Your Endowment” by Cory B. Jensen. Let me just throw in my two cents worth of opinion on this book. I think he shares some fun and useful ideas towards the beginning. But as he progresses into the more esoteric aspects of the temple he gets a little too subjective, IMO. And while he is always careful to advise his readers not to take anything to heart (in his book) that doesn’t work for them he seems to venture into interpretations of doctrine that , IMO, are problematic and perhaps even damaging.
This might be a better place to start: https://www.templestudies.org/
By and large, the comments here from Jack are paternalistic.