I recently met up with my old corporate colleagues for a happy hour reunion, and as usual, we spent our time relitigating old work politics (somehow, 15 year old gossip still hits) and also talking about the future of work, how things are changing, and what’s the next big thing that will upend everything. When we all worked together, there were some trends in the corporate world that all of us were involved in: offshoring to lower-paid workers in other countries, primarily India and the Philippines, moving workers out of expensive real estate to work-at-home arrangements, and consolidating the user interface platforms (you would not believe how outdated travel booking systems can be) to create global team structures. Anyone still awake out there?
Obviously the next big thing is AI which we all agreed is going to greatly automate the types of jobs a lot of our employees were doing back when we all worked together. AI holds the potential to completely eliminate large quantities of jobs, and what will happen to the people who either were doing those jobs or who would have done those jobs and now have useless degrees? (Is human coding defunct now? What happens to psychologists? How much paralegal work is going to be automated? I assume nearly all of customer service will be.) There’s been a lot of talk about what we should do with such a radical upheaval in the jobs market. My favorite solution is to mandatorily cut the workweek to an assumed 20-30 hrs instead of 40 and provide UBI (universal basic income) to all Americans. After all, we may not have personally created AI, but it’s based on input of all of our data. We should get some compensation for that.
This prompted me to look into the difference between predictions and prophecies, especially given that the LDS church claims top leaders are “prophets, seers, and revelators” (and critics say they don’t prophecy, see, or reveal anything). Here are some key differences between prophecies & predictions:
- Source of knowledge. A prophecy is claimed to be from a divine source, something spiritual. A prediction comes from human observation, data, or insider information (like Congress buying stocks). Experts who are earliest in seeing new patterns or trends emerge are often revered for their insight–their unique observations, if the warning pans out (usually in a bad way) make us view them with awe for seeing the early warning signs. Predicting something once it’s becoming common knowledge, even among less expert people, makes it not really “prophetic” in any sense.
- Epistemic Authority. An accurate prophecy by someone someone who is not an expert in that field bolsters faith in them as having a connection to a higher power or divine source. This is different from predictions which just show that the person who was accurate had more expertise and more insight as an expert. Not having expertise makes it feel prophetic. Having it makes it a prediction.
- Purpose. A prophecy is usually seen as a warning to alter behavior to avoid a negative outcome. But a lot of predictions also feel this way, at least if they are interesting. For example, is climate change a prophecy or a prediction by this criteria?
- Verification. Prophecies tend to be subject to interpretation and post hoc rationalization (“it wasn’t God’s time” or “it meant something different”), and this has been the case since time immemorial. The Oracle at Delphi was famous for cryptic prophesies that were easily misinterpreted by the receiver, leading to disastrous outcomes that others could later cluck at in disapproval of the one who didn’t understand it. By contrast, predictions by experts are testable and can be either confirmed or disproved using new data and future events.
- Emotion. Prophecies are designed to instill awe, fear, or reverence, leading to faith or obedience. Predictions aim to inform or persuade through rational argument, planning, and action.
- Religious component. Prophecy often adds a religious element to the warning–divine intervention will happen based on faithful actions or as punishment for bad actions. Predictions are more dispassionate about cause and effect and often avoid moralizing (but not always–consider recycling, climate change, extinctions).
Of course, sometimes both of these approaches can co-exist. A scientist might use prophetic-sounding language to awaken the public to moral urgency (consider Greta Thunberg or the show Don’t Look Up). A religious prophet may incorporate empirical reasoning to make their argument more credible. This is one that feels particularly salient in the LDS Church. For a church with a spotty history of respecting experts (consider the ridiculous 14 Fundamentals), a whole lot of church members are quick to point to the expertise of church leaders. I’ve heard many times the claim that “God is in charge” because the Church president during Covid was a doctor, and now that the constitution is under threat, a constitutional lawyer is Church president. Whatever gets you through another Sunday I guess. We definitely like to have it both ways.
This discussion was similar to a thread I recently read on Reddit. The prompt was: What’s something that’s about to happen which most people aren’t aware of? I popped some popcorn and settled in. I was marginally aware of some of it, but also completely unaware of a lot of it. Also, who knows whether things will play out this way or not? Whenever you predict the near future like this, it could be because a subset of people are all talking about it (as with AI, or similarly when Joseph Smith sort of predicted the Civil War–along with a whole lot of people of his era), or it could be because only the insiders know something.
So, just to wet your beak, here are a few of the near-term predictions:
- On November 21, you will be able to see Uranus with the naked eye (prompting many crude jokes). Also, “naked eye” may be a stretch. I’ve often been told something is visible with the naked eye and then been able to see jack all.
- The soil fungus that killed off the Gros Michel banana (the predecessor to today’s much worse Cavendish bananas) has evolved. It’s likely that the Cavendish will become vulnerable and go extinct as well, unless there is a genetic modification to prevent this. (Someone clarified that the Gros Michel is still available through non-commercial growers–so we’ve been fed LIES, but not fed Gros Michel bananas).
- It will become impossible to tell the difference between human interactions and AI or bot interactions online very very soon. This will dramatically change the ways we use the internet and interact with online communities. This is also called the “Dead Internet Theory,” in which the quality degrades so much that it’s not worth being online anymore. I mean, let’s get real. A whole lot of Twitter outrage is people arguing with bots, and possibly bots arguing with bots.
- Insect populations are undergoing a massive collapse globally which will create dire consequences downstream for agriculture and the natural order.
- The Klarna bubble is about to pop. People will end in collections because they agreed to a payment schedule for a Doordash meal. Seems like this is a new trend, though, because I’m suddenly getting ads for a different version of this where you get a second mortgage that you pay back (yeah right) “whenever.”
- Diseases are becoming more antibiotic resistant which will result in worse pandemics in the future. The biggest issue (according to one commenter) is that when people don’t complete their antibiotic regimen, they don’t kill the virus. They just make it more resistant for its next attempts.
- Serbian students have been protesting for a full year due to a train station canopy collapse that killed 16 people. Given that Serbia was in the midst of an extremely bloody civil war only three decades ago, that’s not great for stability in the former Yugoslavia.
- Sudan is on the verge of collapse which will make Gaza seem minor by comparison. The RSF (Rapid Support Forces) took over Darfur, murdering thousands in the process. They were responsible for the last Sudanese genocide. This war has been going almost 5 years, with more casualties than Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. 32 journalists have been killed in the conflict, and 90% of the in-country journalists have fled or lost their jobs.
- The water crisis is coming to a head with clean water being bought up by venture capitalist and private equity firms.
- As the wealth gap continues to grow, there’s something to be said for the fact that many of the world’s wealthiest people are building bunkers to survive an apocalypse rather than doing anything to help us prevent calamity or improve human flourishing. Even if they are wrong about our future peril, hoarding wealth is a mental illness, and it does not lead to good behaviors. Building a bunker to protect your wealth doesn’t sound that far removed from bottling your own urine.
- Beech and ash trees in North America are dying and will probably be gone within 20 years.
- African swine fever may wipe out the pork industry when and if it reaches North America. Load up on those carnitas now.
- The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current is collapsing. This is the ocean current that creates mild climates in Europe by bringing hot water from the Caribbean up the Gulf Stream. Without it, Europe becomes inhospitable. Some climate scientists consider this “conveyor belt” to be the Earth’s cardiovascular system, and if it collapses, the Earth will change in radical and fundamental ways.
- A dementia boom as the population continues to age, and many of the early health deaths have been put off with early detection and better treatements, leaving people living longer and a higher percentage experiencing dementia. Additionally, the majority of retirees do not have retirement savings, let alone what it would cost for dementia care facilities, and the social security system is in the political crosshairs.
I don’t share these because they are the most anxiety-provoking ones, but because they are slightly more niche worries, the kind of things people make prophecies about. If everyone knows about a thing, the worry is probably too generally known to qualify as a prophecy (like the AI thing–widely discussed, many pearls clutched, probably rightly so). Prophecy is supposedly based on revelation from God, not being a scientific insider or a specialist who deeply understands a topic that most people don’t. But both function the same in a community. You can heed the warning and take action, or not. (Although hey, a few of these are just things that are apparently going to happen). Within religion, prophecy is often used as a “proof” that someone is a prophet, cherry-picking the predictions they made that turned out to be right, or can be reinterpreted as being right. To misquote Forrest Gump, “prophet is as prophecy does.”
- Have you heard these predictions before? Are there any of these predictions that you think are completely off base? Are there some you think are especially concerning?
- What other near term predictions would you make or have you heard?
- How do you think prophecy works? Is it just something everyone predicted that happened to come through? Is it based on specialist knowledge? Is it only prophecy when someone correctly predicts something they don’t know much about? When has that happened?
- Do you think the Church relies on experts to plan for the future, or prophecy? Both? Neither?
Discuss.

“The biggest issue (according to one commenter) is that when people don’t complete their antibiotic regimen, they don’t kill the virus.”
That would indeed be an issue – why would someone take antibiotics for viral infections anyway!!!! No wonder antibiotic resistance is going up, if so many are taking antibiotics for a viral infection. (just having a bit of fun at that redditor’s expense – no intent to jab at you)
A distressing list of current and possible future problems. But we make mention of these possible future problems so that people take preventative action now. Sometimes many of these problems become managed because there is a lot of fear of them.
As for prophecy, here is the difference. Predictions of many of these problems is arrived at through scientific reasoning and observable issues in the present. Prophecy is completely authority-based. The prophet isn’t presenting a body of evidence to a panel somewhere who then decide to publish a report. Plus prophecy tends to be incredibly vague and rather insignificant. Scientific predictions are much more pin- pointed. Lastly it is important to ask the question of what prophecies have the Mormon prophets actually even made recently or even in the past 100 years that have actually come true?
The prophets in the scriptures who prophecy the most are always the outsiders. Abinadi, Samuel the Lamanite, most the prophets in the Old Testament. They’re not well-connected, they’re not popular. They eat insects and live in caves in the wilderness. Church members don’t stand when they walk into a room–they shoot arrows at them or burn them alive.
In theory, prophecies that don’t pan out discredit the prophet. In practice, true believers ignore or quickly forget the prophecies that fail and do backflips to find any way to affirm that a given prophecy was on the mark. Two good examples: Joseph Smith’s December 1832 war prophecy and the Second Coming, which Christians have been pushing back into the future since the first century. If you point this out to any true believer, you are instantly labelled an apostate or heretic.
Theoretically, prophecy is from God. Even that Biblical Oracle at Delphi was supposedly in touch with her goddess who told her what would happen. Without God telling the person, it is just predicting “doom on you, doom on you,” with no more accuracy that those dodo birds in Ice Age. It’s usually some self righteous jerk telling you how you’re going to hell. And I don’t believe in that kind of God. Sure, some fake fortune tellers have made vague guesses that people can twist into “truth”. Because they want to turn control of their lives over to somebody smarter. The female version is dismissed as fake and the male version given millions of dollars by his worshippers. Bah Humbug. I just no longer believe that anyone ever gets huge prophecy for huge groups of people. The God I know is much more personal than that and not controlling by way of telling nations or religious groups of people how to live their lives. Not sure what kind of God I do believe in, but not *that* one.
I am beginning to think my loved one whose AA Higher Power was a tree (large 100 year oak) had it right. The story is, he had a fight with his AA group about how he couldn’t possibly get sober without belief in a higher power. He is a devout atheist, a militant atheist, an angry “if there is a God he is a despicable jerk” kind of atheist. After 20 minutes “discussion” about needing a Higher Power, because that is the only way to get sober, he was frustrated with Utah mentality. So, he sarcastically told them his favorite spot in the city park was under this oak and so that tree would be his higher power. They were afraid that this chronically depressed child sex abuse survivor would stomp out on them, so they finally said that if this tree gave him peace and comfort, maybe it would work. It worked just fine and he got sober. About his 5th year sober, he told me, he goes to AA and in tears told them the city cut down his Higher Power. But, realistically, we both knew his Higher Power was the Goddess we now call Mother Nature. The tree was just a local manifestation of Her beauty. But, she doesn’t really talk to us in the way a “prophet” would need to take his “repent ye, repent ye” warning to people. She is much quieter and just punishes with the *natural* consequences of behavior, and rewards with a view of the night sky with a brilliant Milkyway. And of course out in Her company, Her worshippers get a natural high from the brain releasing wonderful happy chemicals. All natural of course.
Either way, I am not turning control over my life to anybody else no matter if he claims he has a bat phone to God.
So, I believe in fakes and predictions by experts, but not prophecy.
The church has prophets, but I don’t think it has very much prophecy. There were books in the 60-70s that listed apocryphal prophecies, but most have been debunked by now. There are some in the scriptures. We don’t understand the ones in the New Testament or have distorted them. Same with the Book of Mormon. The ones in the D&C, though, are more direct, but it seems we are going in the exact opposite direction. Take the Constitution hanging by a thread and the elders of Israel saving it. I don’t see that happening. In fact, I seem them clamoring, advocating, arguing, and voting to take away people’s rights. Every temple announced is called prophetic, but they haven’t been built yet and the new prophet says we need to build them before we announce others. I think that advice probably came from advisors at Ensign Peak, though. Finally, there was a revelation about calling ourselves Mormon. Was that a prophecy or was it a directive? It seems everything said by the prophet is a directive. All the prophecies we get seem to come from science or historians, or some other expert, and they are not recognized in the church. I mean, look at the admonishment to wear masks and get vaccines. How many died because they didn’t listen to that prophecy? I know three did in my little ward in Central Utah.
Here are a few prophetic nuggets having to do with the growth of the Kingdom that are in the process of being fulfilled:
He called me by name, and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Moroni; that God had a work for me to do; and that my name should be had for good and evil among all nations, kindreds, and tongues, or that it should be both good and evil spoken of among all people. (Joseph Smith–History 1:33)
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. (Isaiah 2:2)
For it shall come to pass in that day, that every man shall hear the fulness of the gospel in his own tongue, and in his own language, through those who are ordained unto this power, by the administration of the Comforter, shed forth upon them for the revelation of Jesus Christ. (D&C 90:11)
And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon all the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw. (1 Nephi 14:12)
And behold, this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant which I made with your father Jacob; and it shall be a New Jerusalem. And the powers of heaven shall be in the midst of this people; yea, even I will be in the midst of you. (3 Nephi 20:22)
And a couple of noncanonical nuggets on the same subject:
Brethren, I have been very much edified and instructed in your testimonies here tonight, but I want to say to you before the Lord, that you know no more concerning the destinies of this Church and kingdom than a babe upon its mother’s lap. You don’t comprehend it. . . . It is only a little handful of Priesthood you see here tonight, but this Church will fill North and South America—it will fill the world.
To accomplish this work there will have to be not only one temple but thousands of them, and thousands and tens of thousands of men and women will go into those temples and officiate for people who have lived as far back as the Lord shall reveal.
Many of the predictions in the OP seem plausible. That said, when I start to worry about something terrible happening to humanity I often think of the economist Malthus who predicted humanity would starve … back when there was about 1 billion people on earth. So far humans have figured out how to thrive and overcome each potential issue. That’s not to say that some populations and parts of the ecosystem haven’t suffered terribly… my prediction is that the human population as a whole will continue to grow but the planet will look very different in the next 100 years.
To the extent that the church predicts anything it relies on very smart attorneys, consultants, and financiers. The last semi spiritual prophecy I remember being made over the pulpit was towards the beginning of Nelson’s tenure. This was right before Covid and he predicted a spring general conference the likes that we’ve never seen before. Instead it was a complete dud not only because of Covid but because of the lame new proclamation and celebration of the 200th anniversary of the restoration.
I find personally find prophecy, if it is real at all, to be self-fulfilling. Christianity in general prophesies (predicting the future) the destruction of everything so they can take over, Mormons take it further in more detail talking about the end of all nations and being the saviors of all mankind in the eternities. Watching the behavior of the majority of both groups, it appears that they are the ones that will bring about that destruction–from a stand point of both voting for destructive people or sitting by resigned that “when Jesus comes he’ll fix this, so I don’t have to engage in solving these problems, I’ll just spend more time in the temple and it will all work out, someone else will do it.” I also find that prophesy (not just in religion) is used as a tool of control. If I can predict bad things are coming and also have the solution to that–and get people to buy into that–I can now control people’s thoughts and actions. Not that I think the temple is all bad, but look at the fundamental reason for going to the temple today–if we don’t do it, we are screwed and dead people we’ve never even met are screwed. It’s fear based…and also a bit arrogant. On top of that, there is a time limit (even though God is supposedly infinite and has all the time in the world….and literal inventor of time itself….supposedly).
That all being said, Richard Rohr had an interesting take on prophets that I really like. He pointed out that we Christians are completely obsessed with the predictive powers of prophesy and prophets, but that most of the prophets of the Bible did not do that. He argues that the prophesy and prophets of the Bible were move often calls to repentance and introspection in the present moment. They were meant to be this very disruptive influence from the outside to get people to be better now, not a central idol to gather around to know what is coming in the future. Jim Bennett has had multiple conversations with Greg Prince on his podcast recently and Greg Prince has lamented the loss of moral authorities–figures in society most people recognize as sources of wisdom and guidance on what it means to be good. I wonder if in all our obsession for a religious futures market, we’ve given up the desire to know how to be good right now.
In the end, there is always something to worry or be afraid about. I think there is some wisdom in Jesus’ teaching to not worry about tomorrow–worrying won’t change tomorrow as we control precious little about most things in this life.
chrisdrobison,
I believe the church has an “it was the best of times, it was the worst of times,” approach to end times prophecy. Yes there are things to worry about–but there’s also the hope of living a meaningful life in the here and now. Yes the world is getting worse in some ways–but there are also great blessings being poured upon us that have the effect of improving the world in some ways. Yes there’ll be an end to all nations–but through it all the Kingdom will triumph and peace will be established upon the earth.
I heard an interesting phrase that I think applies to this topic, and it’s something I’ve thought about a lot as a progressive in a conservative church. When we assume that the lessons of life are from the past, time-tested, never-changing, we are like a person driving down the freeway while looking in the rear view mirror. The problem, IMO, isn’t just when an organization is run by a leader who does this, but that we are all driving on this freeway together, and quite a lot of people have their eyes in the rear view mirror, so we have to watch out for whatever is ahead of us while also trying to navigate around these other drivers.
Jack,
“Yes the world is getting worse in some ways”
I’m going to go out on a limb and say there has never, ever been a great time to be alive in the history of this planet. When we talk about things getting worse, I find we typically mean the discovery of things that fall outside of our ideological boundaries that make us uncomfortable. But it typically turns out objectively it is humanity making progress and we are often better off even if we are stumbling all over the place.
“Yes there’ll be an end to all nations”
Not sure how you can be so sure about that. I mean, this is probably true given just time. None of the nations of 5000 years ago exist today, so to them, all nations ended, but not because of a kingdom being established. But being that the earth has been around for millions of years and this concept of a Kingdom being establish has only been around for a couple thousand, seems like we’d be better off not worrying about that and focus on there here and now.
Sorry, I meant “there has never, ever been a greater time to be alive”. That missing “er” changes the meaning a lot.