Christopher Rich and Paul Reeve discuss their new book (with co-author LaJean Carruth), “This Abominable Slavery,” which examines Utah’s history with slavery. Many have claimed that Brigham Young steered Utah to be a slave state, but Paul & Chris clarify that Brigham Young never advocated Utah to be a slave state. For comparison purposes, Utah had just about 100 slaves, compared to “free state” California’s 1,500. We’ll discuss the distinction between servitude and slavery, noting that Utah’s laws aimed to elevate the status of enslaved individuals by granting them some rights, such as the right to consent and the requirement for education.

Discussion on Utah’s Statehood and Slavery

Paul Reeve explains the book’s title, which is a quote from Orson Pratt, and its focus on newly transcribed speeches from the 1852 legislative session and the 1856 Utah constitutional convention. The book provides a new source base that no prior scholars had access to, and explores Utah’s answer to pressing national questions about slavery.

Christopher Rich clarifies that Utah was not a slave territory and that California had more slaves than Utah. We discuss the myth that Utah needed to be a slave state to balance power in Congress. Brigham always advocated for Utah to be a free state. But the 1840s, Congress approved the principle of popular sovereignty which allowed voters in each new state to choose whether to become a free state or a slave state. The Dred Scott decision in 1857 clarified that neither Congress nor territorial legislatures could bar slavery in US territories.

Utah’s Legislative Debates on Slavery

Christopher Rich explains that Brigham Young always wanted Utah to be a free state, but Almon Babbitt did try to mislead some in Congress about Utah being pro-slavery. When Young found this out, he reprimanded both Babbit and apostle George Smith. Paul Reeve adds that Utah’s 1849 and 1856 statehood proposals were neutral on the question of slavery. The 1856 constitutional convention rejected a proposal for Utah to apply as a slave state.

The Act in Relation to Service and Gradual Emancipation

Paul Reeve explains that the 1852 legislative session addressed the question of whether human beings could be held as property. The Act in Relation to Service elevated enslaved individuals above the condition of property by granting them some rights. The bill was amended to remove words that would have passed the condition of servitude to the next generation. The act was seen as a conservative form of gradual emancipation.

Debate on Servitude vs. Slavery

Christopher Rich explains the difference between servitude and slavery, noting that servitude allowed for some consent and rights. Paul Reeve discusses Orson Pratt’s opposition to the Act in Relation to Service, calling it “this abominable slavery.” The legislature debated the definitions of servitude and slavery, with Brigham Young and Orson Pratt holding different views. The act granted some rights to enslaved individuals, such as the right to consent to being sold and the right to education.

Native American Indenture and Education Requirements

Paul Reeve discusses the Native American indenture bill, which required education for Native American children. The book includes cases of Native American children being registered as servants, with claims of voluntary consent. The act in relation to service also required education for African American children, something southern states opposed. The act included Euro-American immigrants in its provisions, treating them as servants if they arrived using perpetual immigrating funds.

Comparisons with Other States and Territories

Christopher Rich explains how other states and territories, like Illinois and Indiana, had laws similar to Utah’s Act in Relation to Service. California’s laws allowed enslavers to maintain labor through indentured servitude. Oregon passed a law banning black people from entering the territory (free or slave.) Utah welcomed everyone, including free African Americans, unlike Oregon.

Free African Americans in Utah

Paul Reeve mentions Jane Manning James and her family, were among the first free black Latter-Day Saints to migrate to Utah. Other free black Latter-Day Saints migrated to Utah. Some enslaved African Americans were baptized Latter-day Saints before being freed.

Debate Over the 1852 Legislative Session

Dr. Paul Reeve and Dr. Christopher Rich discuss the 1852 legislative session in Utah, where an act in relation to service was passed. Orson Pratt argued against the bill, calling it “abominable slavery,” while Brigham Young created a race-based ban for priesthood, suggesting black people were cursed descendants of Cain. Brigham Young’s theological justification for barring people of black African descent from priesthood ordination was based on the curse of Cain and Ham/Canaan. Orson Pratt rejected Brigham Young’s justification, arguing that there was no proof that Africans were descendants of Cain and that the restriction violated the second article of faith.

Orson Pratt’s Stance on Slavery and Priesthood Ban

Orson Pratt advocated against slavery and for black voting rights, which is extremely surprising for any politician to advocate for in 1852. In 1853, Orson Pratt published an article in the Latter-day Saint newspaper called “The Seer,” suggesting that people of black African descent might have exercised poor agency in the pre-mortal realm, justifying the racial priesthood restriction. Brigham Young responded adamantly to Orson Pratt’s proposal, insisting that black people were cursed descendants of Cain. Orson Pratt never returned to this explanation of a premortal poor choice, and it remained a one-off for Pratt’s justification for the racial priesthood restriction. Others picked up the explanation, however.

Competing Explanations for Racial Priesthood Restriction

The debate between Orson Pratt and Brigham Young established two competing explanations for the racial priesthood restriction. Brigham Young’s explanation was based on the curse of Cain and Ham/Canaan, while Orson Pratt’s was based on premortal agency. These explanations continued to exist and were used to justify the racial priesthood restriction into the 20th century. Other leaders like John Taylor and B.H. Roberts grappled with these explanations, with some finding no substantial rationale for Brigham Young’s explanation.

Brigham Young’s Theological Justification

Brigham Young’s theological justification for barring people of black African descent from priesthood ordination was based on the curse of Cain. While Young allowed other races to receive priesthood, he argued these other groups like Pacific Islanders, people from Asia, Mexicans, and Native Americans, should not be allowed to vote. Brigham Young’s justification was a theological twist on ongoing debates about the place of African Americans in society. The debate continued in the Utah legislature, with Brigham Young’s interpretation of the curse of Cain providing a theological basis for the restriction.

Legalization of Servitude vs. Slavery

The 1852 Act in Relation to Service was not legalizing chattel slavery but elevated slaves to a form of servitude. Brigham Young argued that the law was a step towards freedom, allowing African Americans to be free if their contract with their master was broken. The law provided some rights to elevate enslaved people above mere property, but it did not necessarily improve their day-to-day lives. From the perspective of the enslaved, the law did not make much difference, and they continued to experience servitude similar to slavery.

Impact of the Dred Scott Decision

The Dred Scott decision in 1857 ruled that neither a territorial legislature nor Congress could bar slavery in a US territory before it became a state. Despite this, it appears Utah continued to use the Act in Relation to Service, ignoring the Dred Scott decision, although records are sparse and this cannot be confirmed definitively. Brigham Young maintained that Utah would be a free state when it entered the union, distinguishing between servitude and slavery. The Utah War and other issues diverted attention of Utah leaders from the Dred Scott decision.

End of Slavery in Utah Territory

In 1862, Congress passed an act in relation to freedom, criminalizing slavery and involuntary servitude in all US territories. Abraham Lincoln signed the law, and it was published in the Deseret News, but with little fanfare. The legal end to slavery in Utah territory was firm, but its practical implementation remained unclear.

Utah’s Slavery Laws and Their Implications

Paul explains the significance of the Republican Party’s 1856 pledge to prohibit slavery and polygamy in territories. The Morrill Act of 1862 is discussed, which criminalized slavery and involuntary servitude in U.S. territories, including Utah. Paul mentions that Abraham Lincoln signed the act into law on June 20, 1862, but its impact on Utah’s enslaved population is unclear. Christopher adds that by 1866, the “An Act in Relation to Service” no longer appeared in territorial laws. The debate over voluntary versus involuntary servitude is highlighted, with questions about how enslaved people were informed of their freedom. Paul and Christopher emphasize the complexity and nuances of these legal and social issues.

Native American Indenture and Legal Compilations

Paul notes that the “Act for the Further Relief of Indian Slaves and Prisoners” remained in Utah’s legal compilations until 1876. Christopher mentions that Native American children were still being indentured in Latter Day Saint homes up to the turn of the 20th century. The discussion shifts to the broader implications of these laws and their enforcement, including the challenges faced by enslaved and indentured people. Paul exploreS the open questions about how these laws were understood and applied in practice.

Juneteenth and Emancipation Proclamation

Paul compares Utah’s situation to Juneteenth in Texas, where enslaved people learned of their freedom only after the end of the Civil War. The Emancipation Proclamation had limited application to Utah due to its status as a territory and the fact that Utah was not under rebellion as the southern states were during the Civil War. Paul discusses the economic challenges faced by freed enslaved people, including the promise of compensation that was often not fulfilled. Christopher adds that similar issues played out in other territories, such as New Mexico, where peonage laws were debated and eventually outlawed. Paul and Christopher discuss the historical context of Utah’s slavery laws, including the national debate over slavery and the efforts to avoid it in Utah. Christopher notes that Brigham Young’s views on slavery were consistent over time, despite using ambiguous language. Paul emphasizes the importance of understanding both the legislative intent and the practical impact of these laws on enslaved and indentured people.

Public Reception

Rick asks about the public reception of the book and any pushback on the authors’ interpretations. Paul mentions that some scholars questioned the interpretation of the “An Act in Relation to Service” as a form of gradual emancipation. The authors have made their research publicly available at https://thisAbominableSlavery.org to allow for further scrutiny and debate. Christopher notes that the evidence for their claims is based on new findings, including the inclusion of Euro-Americans in the service bill.

Brigham Young’s Consistent Anti-Slavery Stance

Paul discusses Brigham Young’s consistent opposition to slavery and his efforts to avoid Utah becoming a slave state. Christopher adds that Brigham Young’s views were shaped by the broader national context and the advice of figures like Thomas Kane. The debate between Brigham Young and Orson Pratt over the legality of slavery is revisited, with Orson Pratt advocating for a free labor ethic. Paul and Christopher emphasize the complexity of these issues and the challenges faced by leaders in the Church.

BYU’s Connection to Slavery and Renaming Debate

Rick raises the issue of whether BYU and the Smoot Administration building should be renamed due to historical connections to slavery . Paul suggests that a plaque acknowledging Abraham Smoot’s enslaved people could be a reasonable step, but he has no influence over whether BYU or the Smoot Administration Building will ever be renamed. Paul doubts it will. Christopher hopes that the book will help readers understand various perspectives and come to their own conclusions. The conversation ends with a discussion about the broader implications of acknowledging historical connections to slavery and the steps that institutions can take to address these issues.

Have you read Paul, Chris, & LaJean’s book? Have you considered that Utah was always trying to be a free state and had to make accomodations to slavery due to Congressional and Supreme Court decisions forcing states and territories to recognize slavery despite being free states? Do you think BYU and/or the Smoot administration building should be renamed? Was Brigham Young mistaken about the priesthood ban? Discuss.