I recently read a really interesting article about a poll of Republicans and Democrats about what they know about people from the other party, the opposition. Wow, there are some messed up facts in people’s heads. First, the methodology. They asked people who identified as either Republicans or Democrats what percentage of the other party–and their own–was comprised of various groups of people that are stereotypically associated with that group.
Just for fun, let’s play along. You’re on your honor here because I’ll reveal the findings below which will doubtless influence your answers if you read ahead. First, note if you are a Republican or a Democrat. [1] Next, write down what percent of each party comprises of the following demographic:
DEMOCRATS
- How many are atheists?
- How many are black?
- How many are LGB?
- How many belong to a union?
REPUBLICANS
- How many are over 65 years old?
- How many are Evangelicals?
- How many are Southerners?
- How many earn more than $250K a year?
Be honest, and report your results below in the comments, including your party affiliation. The actual results are in the footnotes. [2]
While I can’t honestly report my own results because I read the article before I wrote this OP, I did poll both of my sons who are staunch Democrats.
I found a few of the results very surprising across the board. For one thing, both parties overestimated how many LBG people are in the Democratic party to the point that there literally aren’t that many LBG people in the whole country. Likewise with blacks and the Democratic party. Also, the percent of people making more than $250K, if true as estimated by Democrats, would mean the median income in the US is significantly higher than we know it is. Many of these inaccurate guesses are due to innumeracy or hey, the failing public school systems (depending on your party affiliation).
The specific problem is that people have a general idea that the majority of a group of people belong to a specific party, but that doesn’t mean they are a majority within that party. That demographic group is still only as large as it is. For example, only 12.5% of the US population is black. Republicans estimated that 46% of Democrats are black. For that to be true, assuming 31% of Americans are Democrats and let’s say 100% of black people are Democrats (which isn’t quite right), the highest percent of the Democratic party that could be black is 40.3%, and several of those assumptions are kind of out there mathematically.
Interestingly, the percent of Republicans over 65 was half what Democrats thought it was. The image of the scared, anti-progressive elderly person shaking their cane at a passing world may be a trope, but it’s not a truth universally acknowledged that a Republican voter is necessarily skeered of a changed future they won’t be here for anyway. It’s a stereotype sketch with comically exaggerated features, not a robust portrait of a complex human being full of contradictions (like most of us are).
There’s also a bit of a Yogi Berra problem–the percentages people estimate well exceed 100% of the party. That’s fine if you believe that most of the members of the Democratic party tick several of the boxes, but these amalgams are kind of nutty when you think of them. What are the odds that many people in the Democratic party are black, gay atheists who belong to a trade union? I only know one Democrat who ticks three of the four boxes. What are the odds that a lot of elderly Southern Evangelicals also make over $250K per year? It’s not impossible, but it’s pretty unlikely given the median income of the US.
But we can’t let ourselves off the hook for assumptions about who is in our own in-group either. Dems thought that 29% of their fellow Dems were LGB, unlikely even if 10% of all people are LGB (which is a high estimate). Republicans thought 38% of Dems were LGB, a mathematical impossibility even at that high estimate. If 10% of the country is LGB (which is probably high), and 31% of people are Democrats (which is accurate from 2017 numbers), then the maximum who could be LGB in the Democratic party–if 100% of them are registered Democrats–is 32.2%. But the actual number is 6% because really, how many people do they think are LGB? And none of them would be Independents or Republicans?? Why does it matter if people overestimate how many gay people there are? Well, it matters a lot because according to this study, thinking there are a lot more gay people than there are correlates with lower support for their rights. It’s easier for some to believe they don’t require special protections if there are more of them.
I was pleased that when I asked my 19 year old son [3] to play along, he actually did significantly better than the majority of those polled, coming within a few points of the correct numbers in most cases. He did (like many Democrats) still substantially overestimate the wealth of Republicans, but nowhere near to the ridiculous proportions of his fellow Democrats’ estimates. He estimated 10%; the actual is a mere 2%. If it were as high as 10% (let alone the crazy talk estimate of Democrats who said 44%!) the median income in the US would be much higher than it is. Sorry, but there ain’t gold in them thar hills, Dems. The pot at the end of that rainbow is an empty coal bucket, and the Leprechaun guarding it was exiled for dressing funny.
My older son, age 23, did even better due to his background in Economics. He got the 2% correct on Republicans making $250K or more. He also hit the LGB Democrats number exactly. He overestimated the geriatric GOP by 9 points, and bucked the trend by underestimating both Evangelicals (20% vs. the 34% actual) and Southerners (20% vs. the 36% actual). He underestimated black voters in the Democratic party (8% vs. the actual 24%).
I was very interested in seeing how party affiliation lined up with the percentage of the population these demographics comprise. I didn’t realize (until I looked it up) that a full 26.3% of Americans self-identify as Evangelical Christian. That’s a really high number (much higher than when I was a teen), and it’s a higher number than the 24% who identify as Republican. What % of Republicans identify as Evangelical? Just 34% (vs. the 44% estimated by Democrats). In other words, there are more Evangelicals who identify as Independent, Democrat, something else, or unaffiliated than who claim the Republican party. Coming from a Mormon perspective where the clear majority are firmly planted in the GOP, that is surprising. A drill down into the various denominations that identify as Evangelical (and the difference between leaning right and affiliating with the Republican party) make this a little more believable.
What was more disturbing than these skewed views of the other party was a Pew Study that showed that there is a very high negative party affiliation currently, which means that people affiliate with a party not because they love it and agree with its values and ideals so much as they hate and oppose the other party–a party that these results show is actually quite different than what they think it is.
- 43% of Republicans said they were Republican more because they were against what the Democratic party represents than because they agreed with the Republican party’s ideals.
- 40% of Democrats said they were Democrats more because they opposed what the Republican party represents than because they agreed with the Democratic party’s ideals.
Another factor that is very limiting in changing these misconceptions is that people mostly befriend those of the same party affiliation.
- Only 14% of Republicans claimed they were friends with “a lot” of Democrats. 9% of Democrats said they were friends with “a lot” of Republicans. These are the ones with the most exposure to opposing viewpoints that might be portrayed more accurately and with more nuance.
- 57% of Republicans claim they are friends with “a lot” of Republicans, and 67% of Democrats said they were friends with “a lot” of Democrats. These are the folks who are mostly surrounded by an echo chamber, people sharing the same views and circulating the same stories, banded together against the party they oppose. They are more likely to see the other party as a caricature due to lack of exposure.
This antipathy toward the other party has only risen in the last 3 decades.
- In 1994, 17% of Republicans had a “very unfavorable” view of Democrats. That has risen to 45% in 2017.
- In 1994, 16% of Democrats had a “very unfavorable” view of Republicans. That has risen to 44% in 2017.
I suppose at least everyone hates each other in equal measure. I hate to see anyone bullied. Trump has been a particularly polarizing president compared to the last six presidents.
- Only 8% of Democrats approved of Trump’s performance in the first year vs. 88% of Republicans. Honestly, that number makes me want to vomit, and I’m not even a Democrat. Only 12% of Republicans agreed that Trump has made the GOP worse (40% said he’s made it better). 63% of Democrats said that he’s made it worse. Apparently what Democrats see as a bug, Republicans see as a feature.
- By contrast, 23% of Republicans approved of Obama’s first year and 46% of Democrats approved of G.W. Bush’s first year. 22% of Republicans approved of Clinton’s first year, and 51% of Dems approved of Bush Sr.’s first year.
The real hope lies in people who break from the party stereotype mold to affiliate with a party but vocally demonstrate their unique stance. A stand up comic I recently watched on Stephen Colbert [4] talked about how he (a progressive) felt that his favorite people were “bros” who had progressive views because their views were unexpected so people would pay more attention. He said he fit the stereotype for a Democrat so nobody cared what he said. For example, he said he loved when a “bro” said “Why wouldn’t I want the gays to marry? More women for us!” or when another “bro” said “Why would I care who takes a dump in the stall next to me?” Because these stances are unexpected, we pay closer attention.
- What were your guesses and your party affiliation?
- Were you surprised by some of these numbers?
- Do you have “a lot” of friends of the other party?
- Are your political views an affiliation with a party’s ideals or an opposition to the other party’s policies and ideals?
- How do you think we improve this partisan problem in the US? Do you think it’s going to continue to get worse or start to get better?
Discuss.
[1] Or an Independent like me or something entirely different like a Libertarian or not a US citizen–everyone can play, even those not voting in the US election, because you probably still have some idea of what these two parties are like just based on indulging in US media like Netflix or the news.
[2] Here are the actual results:
DEMOCRATS
- 9% atheist / agnostic
- 24% black
- 6% LGB
- 11% belong to a union
REPUBLICANS
- 21% are over 65
- 34% Evangelicals?
- 36% Southerners?
- 2% earn more than $250K a year
[3] Big Time Democrat, like a lot of 19 year olds: idealistic, but no idea what things cost.
[4] This guy really bombed. It was painful to watch. But his point was similar to what I’m saying here.

DEMOCRATS
How many are atheists? – 1%
How many are black? – 14%
How many are LGB? – 2%
How many belong to a union? – 5%
REPUBLICANS
How many are over 65 years old? – 20%
How many are Evangelicals? – 20%
How many are Southerners? -20%
How many earn more than $250K a year? – 6%
I’ve been unaffiliated since 2016. I had been registered as Republican prior, though always leaned libertarian. I had heard of the survey, so my guesses aren’t purely uniformed, but I’ve had an awareness of some of the demographics prior to the survey.
I would be interested to see the questions reversed party wise.
RTE— that is a thought.
Hawk—I didn’t realize there were enough union members to make that many Democrats.
“. What are the odds that many people in the Democratic party are black, gay atheists who belong to a trade union? I only know one Democrat who ticks three of the four boxes. What are the odds that a lot of elderly Southern Evangelicals also make over $250K per year? It’s not impossible, but it’s pretty unlikely given the median income of the US.”
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I kind of wonder if what is being measured her has nothing to do with stereotyping and everything to do with the lack of understanding of statistics and mathematics.
With that, I’m unaffliated and did pretty well on the Dems (except for % black member where I underestimated) and way underestimated on the Reps for everything except % wealth (where I nailed it).
I’m with ReTx in that I see this as a function of human nature. Humans are notoriously bad at statistics, gauging risk, etc. and this is common knowledge in the info security industry (both sides – defenders and attackers, who leverage the misconceptions through “social engineering” tactics). Compound that with general human ignorance and I am not at all surprised by these results.
Democrats
How many are atheists? – 10%
How many are black? – 20%
How many are LGB? – 2%
How many belong to a union? – 5%
Republicans
How many are over 65 years old? – 35%
How many are Evangelicals? – 30%
How many are Southerners? -25%
How many earn more than $250K a year? – 1%
You can call me a Republican for this poll. That both sides do not understand the thoughts of the other side is not surprising to me anymore. Most people live in the echo chamber of their own little worlds. That most people don’t understand statistics and demographics is even less surprising.
Was I surprised by some of the numbers? Not really, ok maybe a little on the LGB number.
Do I have “a lot” of friends of the other party? Depends on ones definition of “a lot” and “friends”, I work with (go to lunch type friends), with a number of people who are democrats or independents. My ward has a large number of democrats (estimated at 30 %) some I am good friends with. My closest circle of friends contains few democrats but is not without any. I find that most people are not well defined by political party, they are not republicans or democrats, they are people with experiences that define their philosophical outlook.
Are my political views an affiliation with a party’s ideals or an opposition to the other party’s policies and ideals? Yes sometimes and Yes sometimes.
How do you think we improve this partisan problem in the US? Do you think it’s going to continue to get worse or start to get better? It will start to improve when the term Nazi is no used to describe everyone (or anyone) with an opinion that you do not like. That would be a good first start, but I don’t see it happening anytime soon. Will things get worse… O it will get much worse, that you can count on.
All living things compete. With humans at the top of the food chain your natural enemy is other humans. Your natural allies are also other humans. So, how to tell friend from foe? D or R is one such measure and is being refined until at some point probably not so far in the future it will be sufficiently defining that there can be a second American uncivil war. Blue people will migrate to blue states, red people will migrate to red states, then there will be war.
In order to feel justified to execute violence on your neighbor, he must first be demonized.
Scott J: “It will start to improve when the term Nazi is not used to describe everyone (or anyone) with an opinion that you do not like”. I’m going to have that tattooed on my forehead. Scott J, you and I apparently have different political perspectives, but I’m right there with you on this issue. There will be no progress made at all towards any kind of consensus or compromise until we stop the name-calling and divisive rhetoric. And sadly, I don’t think that will happen for a while, if ever.
I expect the rise in partisanship is correlated with the decrease in religiosity. Human nature is to create cultural boundaries with those in the boundaries and those outside the boundaries. For much of human history these cultural boundaries have largely been drawn around religion. Jews v. Gentiles. Hindu v. Buddhist. Christian v. Muslims. Protestants v. Catholics. For many, party affiliation has replaced religious affiliation, but the need to view your own group’s peculiarities in a positive light and the other’s peculiarities in a negative persists. The characters and settings change. but the story stays the same.
JLM: I kind of agree but with a twist. The numbers in the polling show that most Americans are still religious, but we see two things: 1) many denominations tend to split on party lines (majority thinking is at play), and 2) what I have often observed is that people don’t view their politics through their religious lens–they view their religion through their political lens. Both religion and politics should (theoretically) align with our values. The conventional wisdom would have said that you choose political parties based on your values and ideals, but religion should help mold and shape your values and ideals. What these results are showing is that partisanship is not just an alignment to existing values & ideals, but that it’s changing people’s values and ideals to support their team winning or beating the team they hate. That’s an interesting change, not a good one either.
I saw the survey you refer to before you posted this, so I won’t give my numbers.
One thing I just don’t understand is why people think there are so many LGBT people out there. Surveys tend to put it at around 4%, while studies that try to account for some people lying tend to peg the number higher, closer to 10%. However, I think they have some methodology problems, so I’m more inclined to think 4% is closer to the truth.*
Some of the bad numbers I can understand. I think that people overestimate the size of the black population in the US generally, totally independent of party, then they assume they’re all Democrats.
Others just mystify me. $250k per year is the top 1.6% of income earners. Even if they’re all Republican, the numbers just don’t work.
*For example, they may count anyone who ever in their entire life had some sort of same-sex experience as gay, even if the person doesn’t identify that way and it was part of experimentation when they were younger. It boggles my mind, but I have heard that some men would regularly masturbate with their friends when they were younger and unmarried, especially if they were viewing porn together. Some surveys may count them as gay for answering affirmatively a question about if they had ever masturbated with another guy. However, I wouldn’t count this as proof that an otherwise heterosexual person who claims to be heterosexual is a repressed gay or someone fearful of their homosexuality being revealed.
My estimates:
Democrats,
5% Atheist
20% Black
8% LGBTQ+
6% Union Laborers
Republicans,
30% Over 65
35% Evangelical Christian
30% Southerners
2% Above $250k/yr
I am Republican, and a member of my state’s Republican committee. I consider myself a classical liberal, and would like to see my party go as far to the right as possible.
Thanks Brother Sky. Your post means a lot to me. We don’t have to agree on everything or even most things. But as you said maybe starting with easing up on the name-calling and such would be a good start.
Although seeing that phrase tattooed to your forehead would be a sight to behold.
ScottJ: You’re welcome. I’ll send a picture when I get the tattoo:)
I’m independent, though I plan on voting Democrat until Republicans are dethroned. I won’t share my answers because I didn’t write them down. (If I remember them correctly I came within striking distance for 6 of the 8, but that’s a big if.)
I am not surprised that so many people find themselves affiliating with a party not because they love that party’s platform, but rather because they dislike the other party. In the false dilemma of our two-party system, when you are discontent with the direction the country is heading, it makes complete sense to oppose to what you see as wrong than to affiliate with the party you think is doing a good job. (Neither party is doing a good job.)
I am registered and vote Republican.
My estimates:
Democrats: atheists 7%, blacks, 32%, LGB 6%, union members 30%
Republicans: over 65 30%, Evangelicals 15%, southerners 40%, over $250K 3%.
My errors in estimating: I thought the US population was 16% black, with almost all concentrated among the half that is Democratic, but it turns out the US population is 13% black. There are far fewer unionized government employees among the Democrats than I would have believed; 11% is still hard to believe. The Repulicans don’t have as many old people as I guessed. There are far more Evangelicals then I believed; I thought they punched above their weight in the party by being activist and pretending to be as numerous as it turns out they actually are.