Here is guest post from Rich Brown. Rich has served as managing editor at the then-RLDS (Now Community of Christ) Church’s Herald Publishing House. He has published the book, “What Was Paul Thinking?” (Isaac’s Press). He writes a weekly blog based on the Revised Common Lectionary (http://richbrownforewords.wordpress.com) and occasionally blogs at saintsherald.com.
The idea of a parallel universe, where everything is a mirror opposite of known reality, is a popular subgenre of science fiction. It may well offer an interesting way to understand the two major branches of the Restoration movement founded by Joseph Smith Jr.

This past week (November 17th) marked 30 years since the first women were ordained in the priesthood of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (RLDS), which changed its name in 2001 to Community of Christ (which I’ll abbreviate as CoChrist from here on). While women’s ordination was the issue that caused stuff to really hit the proverbial fan, it certainly wasn’t the only reason.
For at least a couple decades before that church members and leaders had been asking some serious questions, including these: Is this really the One True Church (and is everybody else going to hell, or at least stuck in the “lowest glory”)? Does the priesthood possess exclusive spiritual authority? Is the Book of Mormon a literal history or 19th-century religious fiction? Does the familiar, faith-promoting history of the church represent the way things really happened? Do the ordinances and sacraments possess actual or symbolic value?
Think of a linear graph with the terms “traditionalists” and “progressives” on opposite ends. Of course, not everybody is clustered at one end or the other but more likely somewhere in between.
In April 1984 President Wallace B. Smith presented the World Conference with a document to be considered for inclusion in the Doctrine and Covenants. Much of the document had to do with the purpose and ministries for the proposed temple in Independence, Missouri. He then shifted to priesthood. The bombshell came in paragraph 9:
“I [God] have heard the prayers of many, including my servant the prophet, as they have sought to know my will in regard to the question of who shall be called to share the burdens and responsibilities of priesthood in my church. I say to you now, as I have said in the past, that all are called according to the gifts which have been given them. This applies to priesthood as well as to any other aspects of the work. Therefore, do not wonder that some women of the church are being called to priesthood responsibilities. This is in harmony with my will and where these calls are made known to my servants, they may be processed according to administrative procedures and provisions of the law. Nevertheless, in the ordaining of women to priesthood, let this be done with all deliberateness. Before the actual laying on of hands takes place, let specific guidelines and instructions be provided by the spiritual authorities, that all may be done in order.”
According to church law such documents must be approved or rejected as a whole. Traditionalists were, by and large, supportive of the temple but solidly against ordaining women. The document was passed and became Section 156. Not that traditionalists gave up, however. They showed up in huge numbers at district and stake conferences to vote against individual priesthood calls. Initially, this tactic worked. The arguments were not unlike the familiar “Hate the sin but love the sinner” approach or “Jesus only called men so that’s all that matters.” Extreme measures sometimes were taken in response. In my own stake (Blue Valley), which covered eastern Independence and the rest of eastern Jackson County, Missouri, the normal operating rules were suspended by general officers of the church, permitting priesthood calls to be considered solely in congregations.
Before long many traditionalists decided to vote with their feet. Speak with them today and you’ll most likely hear a variation on the same response they offered then: “I didn’t leave the church; the church left me.” In many ways there’s a lot of truth in that. They became, essentially, a remnant church in exile, waiting for the institutional church to collapse so they could regain control of what was left. They’re still waiting.
The issue to consider here is, Where did they go?
Some joined the LDS church. That made sense for those whose theology, traditions, and worldview aligned with the Utah-based branch of the Latter-day Saints. Some others tried out various Protestant fundamentalist or evangelical churches, although they probably didn’t say too much in their new faith communities about the Book of Mormon or their RLDS past. By far the largest number began to form what became known as Independent Restoration Branches. These groups allowed them to keep their traditionalist RLDS beliefs and practices without interference from a general-church bureaucracy. As the years and decades have worn on, those independent branches have maintained viability. The challenge has always been to create a strong, lasting affiliation among groups—to move from a confederation to a union. That’s still a work in progress.
What’s perhaps most important is the fact they had somewhere to go; they weren’t just leaving something behind.
The progressive trends in theology, practice, and worldview have continued during the 30 years since the first women were ordained in the then-RLDS Church. It is a remarkably different and transformed faith community from what it was even 30 years ago. Perhaps the most striking change has come with an openness to LGBTQ issues. Now in the USA, Canada, and the UK , the Community of Christ sanctions same-sex marriages as a sacrament of the church. Add Australia to the list where same-sex orientation is not a prohibition for priesthood orientation (civil law does not yet allow SSM). This came about through a careful deliberation process and vote at national conferences.
Now, when we start to compare the CoChrist and LDS experiences there is a certain amount of apples-and-oranges consideration. The parallel universe analogy isn’t perfect (but then, what analogy is?). Yet there is something to consider. In one case progressives had control of the institutional structure, leaving traditionalists feeling they were shut out. In the other case, traditionalists are firmly in control of the institution and its bureaucracy, and those feeling or exhibiting any measure of progressive opposition are often tagged with the “apostate” label.
So where do disaffected, progressive LDS members go? What are the alternatives, particularly for those who want and need a faith community? Could the Community of Christ fill that need for at least some?
The CoChrist leadership recognized the church might fill some of that void. A fairly low-key ministerial approach was developed for LDS Seekers. This is by no means a strong-armed missionary or proselytizing effort, but more of an open-armed welcome to a place of sanctuary. For example, in a short time it has transformed the church’s Salt Lake City congregation from a place where a handful of older, faithful members had been keeping the doors open to a now-vibrant, rapidly growing congregation.
Unfortunately, the CoChrist does not have a strong presence in much of the Intermountain West, largely for historical reasons. But this approach is showing signs of success in several places. It is under the general direction of a CoChrist president of Seventy, Robin Linkhart. Interestingly, she was recently called to fill a vacancy in the Council of Twelve Apostles. Her ordination will be voted on at World Conference in June 2016. Until then she will be known as apostle-designate.
The LDS Seeker program is very much in line with the central emphasis of the CoChrist to “Invite all to Christ.” I’ve occasionally read here at Wheat & Tares the comment that about the only choice for LDS folks is to either stay with the church or become an atheist. Keeping in mind that the CoChrist is NOT simply the progressive or liberal Mormon church (that’s a whole other blog post discussion), I believe it may be a good place for those who no longer feel at home in the LDS church.
What are your thoughts regarding the Community of Christ’s acceptance of women and gays into the priesthood? If you’re upset with current LDS policies and are thinking about leaving, would you consider joining the Community of Christ?

Fascinating thoughts presented. I was aware of the history but had never thought about it in those terms before. I do think the Community of Christ is a great place for many disaffected LDS members. One problem, I would have is that I reject the trinitarian view of God , so that would be something I would not be able to get around.
I’d consider it seriously if the nearest (and very small) congregation wasn’t 40 miles away…
Very few congregations here in Britain, mostly in the West, and nothing in the East…
Mike, the CoC is not dogmatic. You can pretty much be a member and believe anything you want. You can choose to believe trinity, or not believe it. You can choose to believe BoM or not.
Mike: I wouldn’t say you can “believe ANYTHING you want,” but the community tends to value practice over theology and polity. Strict Trinitarians might have some issues with the CoC understanding but the church’s position on the 3-in-1 Godhead is “mainline enough” to be accepted as a full member in the National Council of Churches in the USA.
But MH is correct, in that we won’t kick anybody out of the church over the issue.
I am not a “joiner” in general, and I have been an atheist for quite some time (I didn’t have a faith crisis so much as an awakening to my lack of faith). I think CofChrist is really really interesting (especially with the stuff on LDS Seekers and much of what John Hamer is doing)…but I feel like it really would be a different experience (as the opening post says, it’s not just the progressive or liberal version of the Brighamite church…the two churches have been separated for far longer than they have been together.)
So, for me, I’m already not particularly interested in a church, and not really interested in learning a new church above and beyond that.
THAT being said, as I read up more, I am becoming slightly more amenable to traditional Christian theology (so, maybe the opposite of Mike’s position). So, in some ways, the fact that CofChrist does differ from the LDS church in some of those theological ways could actually be points in its favor, if I ever change my mind.
What are your thoughts regarding the Community of Christ’s acceptance of women and gays into the priesthood?
I support the privilege of every church to determine its own path, and hope others will allow that privilege to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
To be honest, I am not in a position of thinking about leaving over current policies. I find enough goodness to stay where I’m at and seek further understanding, and hope for further change.
If I did feel the need to leave…I would likely just not join anyone else.
If I felt I needed something but couldn’t join…CoC would be at the top of my list to check out since as this post points out, there are many good things about it and it overlaps a lot. I like women and gays holding the priesthood.
I think the CoChrist gets many things right. It appears to me they make concessions, which seem to make sense, but bring different challenges because of it.
In some ways…it is an example of the direction the LDSchurch would go if it made concessions, so it is interesting to sit and watch if that really translates to “better”…or if it is just “different”.
I have not seen that hands down it is “better” in all areas…and so, my interest stops there as I return to focus on why I struggle with the things I do in the LDS church and keep a balanced perspective so I haven’t yet felt the need to leave. But I respect the CoChrist. I hope there is a shared kinship there.
***If I felt I needed something but couldn’t stay in the LDS church…CoChrist would be at the top of my list…
(excuse the mis-type)
Out of curiosity, did the acceptance of gays happen in the same way as the inclusion of women into the Priesthood? Not that there’s a lot to compare it to, but adding something that would be known to be disliked into a longer document where it all has to be accepted/rejected whole cloth is one of the worst ways we have in doing things in American politics. it’s where we get the now seemingly constant accusations of holding something good “hostage”.
Politics and Church just seem like a bad, bad mix.
I do, however, want to thank you for the post. It’s good to see how other religions handle such changes.
Frank: You’re absolutely right. With the benefit of hindsight, I think the then-RLDS Church did the right thing (ordaining women) but went about it entirely in the wrong way. Fortunately, we learned a lot of lessons when it came to dealing with LGBTQ issues. A disciplined and sensitive discernment process was undertaken over several years, culminating in a USA national conference in June 2013. We spent several days listening to a lot of different perspectives and personal experiences. There was no Roberts Rules of Order, no majority rules and wins the day. Everybody had a chance to be heard in order to come to common consent. As I recall, the questions needed something like at least 70% to recommend approval to the First Presidency and the five apostles with USA jurisdiction, who eventually made the policy changes.
It was a process pretty much unlike anything I’d participated in before in a church setting, and it was a remarkable experience. There’s a W&T blog post about it somewhere in the archives, I believe.
I’m curious how the structure of the CoC has encouraged progressive rather than conservative attitudes to take hold. In the LDS church, conservativism is the inevitable outcome of leadership by elderly men who only make consensus decisions, no voting, only sustaining. A consensus based approach will ALWAYS yield conservative decisions because minority ideas will never have a chance to infiltrate, being always pushed out in order to reach consensus.
But it seems like in the CoC, it is not a “sustaining” vote, but just a regular vote. Is this why it has become progressive?
Nate, very true we vote yes and no on issues. Like Rich said national conference’s were held and Everyone got to share their views and were respected. My feeling was after that process, even if a person disagreed in the beginning by the end they were in favour and it passed by a very large persentage.
Frank, FireTag used to give updates on how the policy went. Basically section 164 of the D&C allowed the CoC to sanction same sex marriage and ordination where national laws made it legal, and said neither should be allowed where it was against the law of the land. While I can’t imagine such equivocating from the LDS Church, in some ways this lack of correlation in the CoC allows a somewhat Solomon-like solution. You might want to check FireTag’s posts. The one that looked closest to the issue of how the revelation on gays came about looks like this one: http://www.wheatandtares.org/486/community-of-christ-after-action-report-part-2/
Yes, if it came to a breaking point I wish I lived in an area w a CoC congregation. Even if I needed a break from the rhetoric and to experience Mormonism wo being called wicked…it would be nice to have one around. (I’m in Rexburg). I met Robin two years ago and was so impressed by her. She sang a CoC hymn with my friend Katie Langston and the spirit was so strong. Thanks for this post. I’m interested in this history.
Do you think the CoC has developed liberation theology out of Mormon texts because they are committed to social justice issues in a way that would be impossible here. It really is a kind of alternate universe, isn’t it.
Very interesting indeed.
My view is simply this:
The Church (LDS) has made a number of seriously ill conceived policies, eg the appalling Civil marriage in the Temple , where we separate families by requiring civil marriages into the highest ceremonies of the church for the faithful and exclude non members families! The policy is neither universal nor doctrinal. Eg In Europe you must be married outside the temple then go to the Temple.
This ‘policy’ nearly cost the life of my daughter in law……quite literally …..but for another day.
Current issues on children of Gay couples
The ‘ blacks and the Priesthood’ policy!
We had a ‘policy’ where women were not to open with prayer at Sacrament meeting…did you?
Quaint policies like Standing up as Loren C Dunn (mission president) would enter our Local Conference Meetings, all were required to stand as ‘ HE’ represent the Prophet! ( Dunn’s idea). Thankfully eventually sent back to Utah but only after nearly wreaking the Church here.
Numerous silly ‘Western American cultural Policies’ like suits and white shirts or as my Mission President said, quote, ” good to see you in the uniform of the Priesthood” ……..also the ridiculous “added upon” dress standards for our youth at EFY as a regulation in excess of the ” church approved” Especially for Youth…a further madness from our “friends’ at BYU Idaho ‘s Honour Code…another western cultural export throughout the world.thanks but no thanks!
I think there is another issue which I have observed as an Australian who has lived, worked and studied the the US, including the West. In a Church western culture particularly in leadership, there is an unhealthy ‘ brutalness” ..I am not sure where it comes from, the military influence? or pioneer pragmatism ? Whatever it is it’s unhealthy. But we have seen years of it here in Australia.
I am sure others can add to this …..and I am sure there will be more ill conceived and unfavourable policies….policies are not doctrine and yes they hurt, isolate, can cause great harm and stress but for me these will not involve me in leaving the Church but are tests of faith in ‘ mans’ absolute frailties…..another and related issue for me is the ‘closeted’ view of the Utah view of the world……try pointing out that the American way especially the ‘western’ way might not be the right or appropriate way….good luck!…..there will be more inappropriate policies to come, I am sure. My hope ( it might be in vain) is that we mature as a Church but we certainly need some reform including cultural reform.
Thanks for the clarification on the trinity discussion!
I’m Rich who is Richard Stephen Benson of the Mankato Ward in Mankato, Minnesota. I started hanging around this group in about 2008, I think, for better or for worse. It’s been a real ride. Lately, I’ve come across other Riches, which is fine. Join the party. I just thought I’d introduce myself.
In this post I think I’ve come to a knowledge I’ve first begun to comprehend. I’ve always thought of at least most of the others to be Latter-day Saints. Now there’s stuff like this:
“I do think the Community of Christ is a great place for many disaffected LDS members. One problem, I would have is that I reject the trinitarian view of God , so that would be something I would not be able to get around.”
Mike are you thinking about taking off? You are LDS aren’t you? If you weren’t, I’d wish you a good trip. But if you are LDS, going to join another church would be a very foolish thing for you to do. The LDS church is the only church that has a valid baptism which is necessary for your salvation.
“I’d consider it seriously if the nearest (and very small) congregation wasn’t 40 miles away…”
Hedgehog, if it’s the Lord’s Church, than you go to it. Is it or is it not?
“Mike, the CoC is not dogmatic. You can pretty much be a member and believe anything you want. You can choose to believe trinity, or not believe it. You can choose to believe BoM or not.”
MH, you mean you kind like it that way? I mean I kind of do that stuff myself. Nobody has told me what I had to believe. I study the scriptures, think about it as I go,and make an interpretation, always thinking I could be wrong, except for the Lord’s Church. I have a number of things I don’t go along with the leaders about and I mean the formal apostles and prophets and also lower members of the Church: The Garden of Eden, the use of the priesthood(D&C 121:33-46), Grace, Section 132:26(not much mentioned anymore), 2 Nephi 30:6(the word ‘pure’ should be the word ‘white’ like it used to be and like it is on the plates Joseph Smith translated.) and there are more things. I’m always at war with my Sunday School and Priesthood classes. I’m glad that the leaders describe how to baptize the way it should be done in the No. 1 Church Handbook or for sure there would be some lame minded bishop standing at the pulpit sprinkling a baby and the lame minded parents and congregation would be smiling sweetly. The LDS church is the Lords church and with the problems had by the saints we had better stay. The priesthood is here and not anywhere else.
“ So, in some ways, the fact that CofChrist does differ from the LDS church in some of those theological ways could actually be points in its favor, if I ever change my mind.”
Andrew. Think about the priesthood and the power associated with it. Nobody else has it. Sitting in a meeting and discussing what you should beleive in is moderately worthless. Ask God where His, at least, earthly church is. Ok! You’re not a member,I guess, so have a good trip. So far as the members of the Lord’s church goes, for the most part, they don’t know what they’re talking about. What they say, is not why I stay there.
“What are your thoughts regarding the Community of Christ’s acceptance of women and gays into the priesthood?”
I support the privilege of every church to determine its own path, and hope others will allow that privilege to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”
Ji, you’re on the right path.
“ I struggle with the things I do in the LDS church and keep a balanced perspective so I haven’t yet felt the need to leave. But I respect the CoChrist.”
Heber13
I don’t stay in the LDS church because I respect them, because I wonder if I really do. I stay because I know it’s the Lord’s church. I doesn’t matter what the problems are.
Frank Pellett:
“ It’s good to see how other religions handle such changes.”
I’m only interested in the way the Lord’s church does it. The major thing is knowing where that is.
Rich Brown
“It was a process pretty much unlike anything I’d participated in before in a church setting, and it was a remarkable experience.”
It might be but it’s not the Lord’s church.
Markag
“…formerly RLDS and is now LDS shares his perspective.”
Why did you come over?
Nate:
“ In the LDS church, conservativism is the inevitable outcome of leadership by elderly men who only make consensus decisions, no voting, only sustaining.”
You really don’t believe God is with them because they are conservative old men? It doesn’t matter to me how or what they say. That’s God’s problem. I have a valid baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. With those two things and my scriptures I get to the truth so the only thing I have to do is support them. That’s easy enough. I sustain them with all my heart.
Carl Lindermann:
“Nate, very true we vote yes and no on issues. Like Rich said national conference’s were held and Everyone got to share their views and were respected. My feeling was after that process, even if a person disagreed in the beginning by the end they were in favour and it passed by a very large persentage.”
I’m the Rich who is Richard Benson. What you described here was nice but with one problem. It’s not the Lord’s church.
Nate (#12): “I’m curious how the structure of the CoC has encouraged progressive rather than conservative attitudes to take hold.”
The answer that I want to give here is that the CoChrist has moved in a progressive direction because its leaders and members have responded to the direction of the Holy Spirit. But, of course, that’s probably exactly the same reason why LDS traditionalists would explain its conservative leanings.
So, let me tray an historical approach. From its beginnings the Latter Day Saint movement has had both “free-thinker” and “obedient” members. Inevitably, as the movement grew and took on more and more institutional trappings, tension between these two approaches grew and became quite openly so in the Nauvoo period. After JS’s death in 1844 and assumption of power by Brigham Young and a majority of the 12, obedience became even more important. No doubt, that helped the church survive the harsh realities it faced in the mid- to late-19th century in the Intermountain West.
Scattered Saints in the Midwest (along with those who went west and later returned) tended to be in the free-thinker camp. They formed the basis of the Reorganization and continued to shape the church for the next century. After about 1960 when RLDS apostles began to take the church into Asia and the Indian subcontinent, in particular, they quickly realized those non-Christian people couldn’t care less about the differences between LDS and RLDS.And so they began to ask, What does it mean for this church to invite people to Christ. Those RLDS leaders were not constrained to then ask subsequent questions on a whole range of related issues. For many decades church leaders have been more progressive than the membership at large, and that has created tensions of its own.
To put it in more philosophical terms, CoChrist members/leaders have felt free (if not an obligation) to seek Truth wherever that leads. That can be risky business, and when viewed from outside the church it may well appear to be foolhardy.
#18 Rich from Mankato:
“I don’t stay in the LDS church because I respect them, because I wonder if I really do. I stay because I know it’s the Lord’s church. I doesn’t matter what the problems are”
I don’t stay because I respect them either. Not sure what your comment means.
I don’t know how it can not matter what the problems are, but good for you that it has not ever put you at odds with your core beliefs and family. I’m glad it is working for you.
But if it is the Lord’s church, the church is telling some people it is not for them. How the Lord’s church isn’t for some of the children of God is puzzling to me.
I stay because it enriches my life. If it stops enriching…it becomes a challenge to wrestle with the Lord on what to do.
I trust the Lord can guide me, but something tells me there are more options to the billions on the earth now than just mormonism and nothing else. But…I’m glad it’s working for you.
Heber13:
“I don’t know how it can not matter what the problems are…”
If God makes it clear to you, and He will, what His church is and where it may be than where is the problem. If it’s there all you need to do is react to it in a Christian way if it’s Christ’s church. Well, Ok. That’s the problem. React to what you call a problem in the way Jesus want’s you to react and you’ll be fine. He chose the leaders in His Church and He’ll judge them and the rest of us in the way He sees fit.
If your core beliefs are God’s core beliefs,again, where are the problems. Disobedience causes real problems.
Heber13:
“I stay because it enriches my life. If it stops enriching…it becomes a challenge to wrestle with the Lord on what to do.”
Why are you wrestling with God after what He has told you what to do?
Rich (Benson)
““I’d consider it seriously if the nearest (and very small) congregation wasn’t 40 miles away…”
Hedgehog, if it’s the Lord’s Church, than you go to it. Is it or is it not?”
Well Rich, apart from I don’t drive, I don’t believe the Lord has just the one church. For the moment I’m LDS because that’s where he put me… But I am getting really, really ticked off by all the rubbish of late.
Hedgehog:
I’ll miss you.
Heber13 #20
“But if it is the Lord’s church, the church is telling some people it is not for them. How the Lord’s church isn’t for some of the children of God is puzzling to me.”
The Lord’s church IS for all people. It’s the people who make it not for them. Stop doing what they are doing. For now, never mind the problems outside of finding out that the LDS Church is His Church.
Rich, I’m still here! But thanks for sentiment.