Today’s guest post is by David H. There is a well known tension among Mormonism’s principles that God never changes and yet continues to reveal things that look like change.
It was important when the practice on priesthood/temple and race/lineage was ended that the change be understood not as a rejection of a fundamental doctrine, but instead as the fulfillment of prophecy that was already part of the doctrine. When polygamy was abandoned, it was similarly important for people to believe that the principle remained, but the practice of the principle would be deferred.
Along those lines, I think the silence of the Church about the reasons for the prior priesthood/temple practice is meant so that in a generation or two, when memories of prior statements on the history and reasons (including curse of Cain or Ham) for the practice have dimmed, those statements can be completely jettisoned and disavowed in the same way we currently downplay many 19th century teachings of the pre-Manifesto era (and how much of the Protestant solo scriptura world ignores many of Paul’s anti-feminist teachings).
I personally think that the proxy sealing of women to all their husbands is part of change without change. In a generation or so, if it is announced that living women can be sealed to a second husband without cancellation of the first sealing, this may be a ho-hum event–“We have been doing this for deceased women for decades. It isn’t much of a change to stop forcing living women to wait until they are dead before we can seal them to a second husband.”
Homosexuality is another issue on which doctrinal understandings or underpinnings are incrementally adjusting. The institutional Church (like other organizations) may prefer that attention does not focus on such modifications. Perhaps that is why there was a somewhat sharp reaction when the press picked up that there had been movements on the subject in the handbook.
(This preference that change be “under the radar” may also be important if or when liturgical changes are made in sacred rituals.).
Other churches, including our Community of Christ cousins have experienced disruption and schism when abrupt change occurred, like extending priesthood women. Same is true in the Protestant world with changes of policy on sexual orientation and behavior, and the Roman Catholic world is still experiencing disruption from Vatican II (as well as from the Pope’s recent mere hint that perhaps condom use could have a moral justification in narrow situations–perhaps maybe).
One could argue, if change is right, we (i.e., God and the Church leaders) should make it immediately regardless of whether anyone else in the Church would follow it (“do what is right, let the consequence follow”). I argue that would be inconsistent with a key Mormon principle that is too often underemphasized. While the Church is structured to be led by revelation hierarchically, it also is to be led by common consent. The Church leaders may be the eyes or brain of the Church, but the body of the Church–its arms and legs– is just as important (according to Paulene writings that seem as true today as when written). Arguably it doesn’t do much good if the spirit/mind wants to go in one direction and only one leg and one arm follows (and the other arm and leg go in a “different direction”).
I have thought for 30 years that one interim step to address inequitable treatment or access to power in the Church might be to add the RS president to the bishopric, or at least as a formal member of the PEC. But I must say that the decision to grant additional power via an existing council by simply raising its significance on the organization chart is brilliant. We haven’t created a new council, nor have we changed the composition of either the bishopric council or the priesthood executive council. We have simply altered their relative significance in administering the Church at the local level. Roslyn makes some cogent observations about this.
Another tricky thing, that might await another day, would be changing the relative powers of the stake council versus the high council. Or perhaps a similar change at the general church level.
Of course, this change does not necessarily cure real or perceived inequities in the Church. As others have pointed out, even on the ward council there are significantly more men than women. And bishoprics may not promptly delegate as much power as contemplated, at least for some period of time. But I still think it is a brilliant move, at least on paper, to extend more real authority (and give a greater voice) to women without making it appear to the old liners that the Church has changed.
How do you feel about the church’s approach to change? Discuss.

My views on this reflect a changing level of maturity. When I was younger, I pictured our leaders, and especially the prophet, in direct contact with God and Christ. I pictured that what the prophet said were exactly as if it were from the mouth of Christ. If this were the case, there wouldn’t be mistakes and what we did would be exactly what God wanted.
As I’ve grown and matured, my view is much more nuanced. I realize that the Church is lead by good men who are honestly doing what they feel is God’s will. At the same time, they bring to the table their own backgrounds, prejudices and experiences. And as Hinckley mentioned in an interview, their experience doesn’t seem that much different from an average member – pray about something and get a good feeling about it.
Given this, the current method of not “rocking the boat” makes perfect sense. Any institution has a certain amount of inertia. Unless Christ appeared to a prophet and said “Change this” directly, things are only going to be incremental, and it doesn’t sound like that really happens.
David H.
A good title for this post might be: The First Vision Never Happened.
Another one might be: We Weren’t Really Serious About the Prophets Thing.
If that is how you feel, why not just say so? Why beat around the bush?
Am I off base, then please how me understand?
Certain things cannot change in the LDS church.
1. Stance on homosexuality-It’s well known that the homosexual lifestyle is detrimental physically and spiritually. Per LDS doctrine, only husband and wife may continue as family after this life. All others will live separately and singly forever and ever.
2. Abortion-Again, per LDS doctrine, this is detrimintal to the plan of salvation because it deprives spirits of bodies and families to come into.
Where did comments #2 get that idea?
While I agree with the the opening line in #3 I don’t agree with either of the examples. I disagree with the first because it assumes that the familial structure cannot change in any way (not supported by history) and I find fault with the second because the same rationale could be used to condemn contraception of any sort and the Lord’s Church specifically sanctions various forms of birth control.
David H:
Like your OP. I think it a thoughtful way of addressing change in policy. What it doesn’t address is is how newly revealed “truth” should impact our daily lives and behavior outside of the explicit policy changes. For example, pre-OD2 would one be held accountable by the Lord for bigoted behavior against people of color because of the rationale presented for the priesthood ban? Such behavior would have been more than justified based on teachings of various prophets. Does accountability begin when the discussion begins or when the policy is instituted? It should have been clear by 1964 (the year the Civil Rights Act passed) that the Church’s policies were mistaken from a normative perspective but it took 14 more years for the Church’s own racist policies to change.
I too am at a loss about the comments in #2 – is that for a different post? It doesn’t seem related to the content of this one.
Paul and hawkgrrl–
My comment is very brief an it appears confusing.
I’m short on time, so I can’t go into detail.
After reading the post, my first thought was that it was written from the assumption that the apostles and prophets are nice guys but not inspired.
I expressed this thought by suggesting alternative titles.
I am not being antagonistic or critical, I’m wondering if the author believes the apostles and prophets are being guided by the Savior. If he does, I didn’t detect belief after reading the post.
Jared – I think you are mistaking the point of the post and the author’s POV. If your view is that change only occurs in the church as a direct result of revelation, I think that’s a simplistic view. David H’s post doesn’t address revelation per se (not how I read it), but the process the church goes through to be able to adopt changes.
Jared, I would turn the question around. Do you think the apostles and prophets are being guided by the Savior in ALL that they do? Or do you think that, while inspired, they are also men and can sometimes make mistakes, just like you and me?
And assuming there is a change felt to be the direct will of God by our leaders – do you think this would be changed instantaneously, or incrementally, which is what I got out of the post as it’s main point.
I did not know that women are being sealed to multiple men by proxy!
I really liked the Body analogy, it really resonates with me, I think it helps me understand better how I can effect change within my ward, stake and possibly more.
One of the recent changes that I’m not keen on is that Activities has been dissolved, the chairman could be male or female which often allowed sisters in the ward to have clear leadership opportunities over priesthood holders.
More WC is great and I believe it will have a huge impact, as long as it is not dominated by the PEC. However the other point raised was that the RS President could be invited to PEC, and due to the nuance of having a Lady present in the “boys club” I believe this will change hearts and minds quicker than more WC will.
My Bishop read a letter from the Presidency of the church this Sunday over the pulpit. the letter basically stated that all issues and questions and problems that one has should be dealt with on a local level. Local leaders have the authority and dispensation to handle all issues and it is not necessary to contact the Presidency directly.
So, Okay, nothing new, but what happens when something happens that is clearly not right and you have tried to use your chain of command as you have been taught and it is met with cold silence? Then what? Change may be coming, but when you are on the receiving end of bad leadership and you have no one else to act on your behalf what else is one left to do? The only reason my situation got resolved is because I stood up in a sacrament meeting and refused to support my BP. The Stake President was there and he was forced to make a decision. He either moves my records(because I told him flat out I would never support him) or he removes my name from the records. He relented and moved my records.
Its’ almost as if The Presidency of the Church is redirecting issues as a method of shielding itself, so they can claim they knew nothing of the problems of members and absolve themselves of responsibility.
hawkgrrrl and Mike S–
I hold to the POV that there are certain doctrines and principles that do not change. Then there are church policies, they are subject to change.
Regarding the question of how the Lord leads the church: the scriptures make it clear, as does history, that we are lead my fallible prophets. Having said that, the scriptures also make it clear that the Lord’s work, design, and purposes cannot be frustrated.
I think change in the Lords way occurs instantaneously and incrementally (this would be a good subject for a post).
Jared, you ask about my beliefs. You may read about my religious beliefs in my profile on mormon.org. My purpose here is to address how change is made in our Church in navigating the seemingly contradictory principles that God never changes and yet the God reserves the right to give future revelations so that we might someday be urged to ” [f]orget everything that I have said, or what President Brigham Young or George Q. Cannon or whoever has said in days past that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world.”
Jon. I do not know what understandings or principles can change and what cannot. I leave that to God.
Paul M. You ask about accountability for actions outside of the Church that we take based on our understanding of teachings of Church leaders–i.e., were LDS members accountable to God before 1978 for acting in a discriminatory way based on race. Yes, I think we were. The same is true with respect to our treatment of LGBT brothers and sisters today. I like Elder Oaks distinction between two lines of communication from God–one is for Church governance which comes through Church leaders and the other for our personal governance which comes directly to us. I am accountable to God for how I treat others outside of Church governance, I cannot “delegate” that responsibility to other humans.
Mr. Q&A. In my opinion, the activities committee was eliminated, in part, to make ward council a bit smaller and more manageable, and to give the ward council more power.
Diane. The Brethren are overwhelmed, and cannot possibly handle all of the requests for guidance or help. (See Jethro’s advice to his son in law Moses in Exodus.) The advice in that letter is not new; I can remember similar letters being read since I was a teenager. As far as reacting to unrighteous decisions by those in authority, I recommend Elder Oaks talk which deals in part with that, particularly the part following: “So what do we do when we feel that our Relief Society president or our bishop or another authority is transgressing or pursuing a policy of which we disapprove? Is there no remedy? Are our critics correct when they charge that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are ‘sheep’ without remedy against the whims of a heedless or even an evil shepherd?” Dallin H. Oaks, “Criticism,” Ensign, Feb 1987, 68
And you can tell the difference only in retrospect.
#11: Jared: I hold to the POV that there are certain doctrines and principles that do not change. Then there are church policies, they are subject to change.
I don’t know how old you are, but prior to 1978 were restrictions on blacks and the priesthood considered a policy or a doctrine? I would argue that most people considered it doctrine.
And prior to OP1, was polygamy considered a doctrine or a policy? There were canonized scriptures supporting it, so I would also argue that it was considered a doctrine.
So, were these doctrines that changed, or do you consider them policies that changed? And if they were “just” policies, might not just about everything in the church today be someday considered a policy?
David H.,Thomas and Mike S–
I look at change as being a consistent part of the gospel. Change comes “line upon line and precept upon precept, here a little, and there a little”.
God never changes but we do, as a church and individually, as He moves us along the path towards eternal life.
Regarding blacks and the priesthood: it was always taught that the blacks would one day receive the priesthood. I believe it transpired just as the Lord intended.
Polygamy is an off and on again doctrine for a fallen world, but an eternal principle for those who enter into eternal life, if they so desire.
The doctrine and principles of exaltation never change form the Lord’s perspective, but for mortals it changes based on where we’re at on the path to eternal life.
The 9th AoF is a touchstone for these ideas.
9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
“Regarding blacks and the priesthood: it was always taught that the blacks would one day receive the priesthood. I believe it transpired just as the Lord intended.”
The teaching I remember when young was that blacks would not receive the priesthood until everyone else was given the oportunity to accept it. To me that means that what was taught was not based on revelation or inspiration and was just a manifestation of the bias of the time. I don’t believe God intended that there be a ban and that the revelation to SWK was to correct error.
“Polygamy is an off and on again doctrine for a fallen world, but an eternal principle for those who enter into eternal life, if they so desire.”
Again I think it’s a bit of a stretch to consider polygamy a doctrine now or in the past. It seems to me that it is a lifestyle that continues to be practiced in sub saharan Africa and some muslim societies but not now or in biblical times for any religious reason. JS may have couched it in spiritual terms but I’ll leave his motivation for that to you. The changes I see seem more in line of correcting errors rather than doctrine.
GBSmith–
I see it different than you do. That’s OK, each of needs to make a decision about how we look at things based on the way we interpret the evidence we have.
There are many people in my extended family, whom I love, who have abandoned their faith. There are also many who have grown in their faith and enjoy the promised blessings. We all get along and respect one another.
I’m thinking more and more of the gospel as quantum states that can be true, but are not necessarily true.
“There are many people in my extended family, whom I love, who have abandoned their faith. There are also many who have grown in their faith and enjoy the promised blessings. We all get along and respect one another.”
Amen. Though, in reality, the blessings come either either way. The trick is to realize and appreciate them. Loss of faith is sometimes just seeing and believing a bit differently.
#18: Stephen M (Ethesis)
I really like this comment – it’s made me stop and think for a bit. It makes a lot of sense to me, as there may be multiple possibilities for truth in the gospel. The wave function collapses down a certain way depending on the observer. Nice.
Loss of faith in the Catholic church (or any other denomination) may perhaps mean the blossoming of a new faith in the LDS church.
Loss of faith in the LDS church may perhaps mean the blossoming of a new faith in the Catholic church (or any other denomination).
Is the equation only valid in one direction?